NEC Violation ??

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FionaZuppa

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hmmm, i wonder what brain fart happened to get this done :blink:
it might be dead w/o wires, but almost guaranteed it is, or was, hot.
one of the bullseye stores in CA !

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Is that a cabinet handle next to the outlet?

I was going to say the outlet placement looks okay to me. But after further review, I would not pass it. If some one throws a drink cup that's still half way full. The soda syrup would disable the outlet.
Somebody likely thought '' oh its accessible'' But it would be subject to physical damage. So IMO It's not code compliant.
 
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that chrome is part of a wire basket where trash bag sits. the basket has ears for bags to latch onto.

i am not sure there is a phys damage issue here, nobody can easily smash it or knock it off the wall.
perhaps a wet box would protect it from liquids, but why would anyone put cat5/6 & 15-20 inside a trash bin? just seems stupid.
 
iwire said:
Can you cite an NEC section prohibiting a receptacle in a cabinet?
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1) not sure i can find it in NEC
2) seems stupid to put open outlets in "cabinet" that accepts trash
3) Canada bans it

Rule 26-710 (i) of the Canadian Electrical Code states:

A receptacle shall not be placed in a cabinet, cupboard or similar enclosure except where:
(i) The receptacle is part of a factory built enclosure.
(ii)The receptacle is provided for use with a specific type of appliance that is INTENDED FOR USE WITHIN THE ENCLOSURE.
(iii)The receptacle is intended for use with a microwave oven; and..

(j) Except for cord connected dishwashers, in line water heaters, garbage disposal units, and other similar appliances, receptacles installed in cupboards, cabinets or similar enclosures in accordance with paragraph (i)(ii) SHALL BE DE-ENERGIZED UNLESS THE ENCLOSURE DOOR IS IN THE FULLY OPEN POSITION.
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4) i am not sure the trash bin as shown is a "cabinet"

NEC 100
Cabinet. An enclosure that is designed for either surface
mounting or flush mounting and is provided with a frame,
mat, or trim in which a swinging door or doors are or can
be hung.
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i think the "box" opens via piano hinge, but in this case there is no "enclosure" if you remove the "door".

thus far, plenty of reference info for any AHJ to say "fail".
 
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what the...

I can only guess that at some point, there was a point of sale there, or a mistake in the prints. Is it NEC legal? If that catx is going thru a firewall, 300.21. No in-use cover?
 
JFletcher said:
what the...

Is it NEC legal? If that catx is going thru a firewall
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i believe the through hole is into a steel column, and doesnt even look sealed! the two bolts you see hold the trash "cabinet" to the column.
 
FionaZuppa said:
that chrome is part of a wire basket where trash bag sits. the basket has ears for bags to latch onto.

i am not sure there is a phys damage issue here, nobody can easily smash it or knock it off the wall.
perhaps a wet box would protect it from liquids, but why would anyone put cat5/6 & 15-20 inside a trash bin? just seems stupid.
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Technically, liquids shouldn't go in a trash container (think trash compactor), liquids should be put in a garbage or refuse container.

Did you ask any of the employees why there was wiring in the trash?
 
iwire said:
Can you cite an NEC section prohibiting a receptacle in a cabinet?
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FionaZuppa said:
1) not sure i can find it in NEC
2) seems stupid to put open outlets in "cabinet" that accepts trash
3) Canada bans it




4) i am not sure the trash bin as shown is a "cabinet"

NEC 100


i think the "box" opens via piano hinge, but in this case there is no "enclosure" if you remove the "door".

thus far, plenty of reference info for any AHJ to say "fail".
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So the answer is no.
 
iwire said:
So the answer is no.
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you said no, i didnt say no.

if you claim its in a cabinet, then its a violation, because its not in a proper NEC defined "cabinet".

soup to nuts its still live.

as for liquids in a trash bin/can............., is exactly the hazard, even more so that its a public trash bin/can !
 
iwire said:
No doubt




Seriously? :huh:
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While not a wet location, drinks will be thrown in a trashcan and that receptacle will get liquids all over it. I ask in all seriousness because while I think the NEC wouldnt require an in-use cover here, it seems to me to be a very bad idea to not have a cover on a receptacle inside a trash can that will be subject to all kinds of junk (i.e., liquids) thrown on it.

I have to conclude that installs like this are so exceptionally rare that the NEC doesnt cover them in any detail. An in-use cover seems to me a very prudent thing even if not required by code.
 
JFletcher said:
While not a wet location, drinks will be thrown in a trashcan and that receptacle will get liquids all over it. I ask in all seriousness because while I think the NEC wouldnt require an in-use cover here, it seems to me to be a very bad idea to not have a cover on a receptacle inside a trash can that will be subject to all kinds of junk (i.e., liquids) thrown on it.

I have to conclude that installs like this are so exceptionally rare that the NEC doesnt cover them in any detail. An in-use cover seems to me a very prudent thing even if not required by code.
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Consider this, the NEC allows and now sometimes requires face up floor receptacles and there is no requirement for a water proof cover.

Floors get moped and washed right?
 
iwire said:
What?
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its not a "cabinet" as defined by art 100.

so, what it is, a quad that is covered buy readily accessible, which is fine, until the cover/box itself serves as a public trash can/bin/bucket/place/depository/whatever.
 
iwire said:
And how does that fact change anything?

Still no NEC violation.
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not that i can find. its a scenario the NEC does not cover. at least now i know i can mount recepts in trash bins :blink:
 
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