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floatr

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Where in nec is the codes on these violations - strip outlets,the rules on daisy chaining - , extention cords used permanently ,overloading a 15 amp with other appliances added together like freezers on microwave circuits, over the 80% ,over loading single duplex outlets with multiple strips . An running extention cords permanently over doors,including ones that go outside? Also using those cheap non grounded 2 prong brown extention cords from 80s with 3 openings at other end..

I know thats a lot of codes violations but i have to get all of them an print it. It will be ideal is one section has it all but NEC rules lists is huge ,an growing every year
Its to prove whats been done is a NEC violation or fire safety..

I saw soooo many codes violations in a rental its crazy .
Thanks .
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Dennis Alwon

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Where in nec is the codes on these violations - strip outlets,the rules on daisy chaining - , extention cords used permanently ,overloading a 15 amp with other appliances added together like freezers on microwave circuits, over the 80% ,over loading single duplex outlets with multiple strips . An running extention cords permanently over doors,including ones that go outside? Also using those cheap non grounded 2 prong brown extention cords from 80s with 3 openings at other end..

I know thats a lot of codes violations but i have to get all of them an print it. It will be ideal is one section has it all but NEC rules lists is huge ,an growing every year
Its to prove whats been done is a NEC violation or fire safety..

I saw soooo many codes violations in a rental its crazy .
Thanks .
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It is very hard to understand what you want.
Extension Cords are in article 400.12(1 and 3)
There is nothing in the NEC condemning the use of multioutlet strips-
The NEC cannot rule on what a customer does after the wiring in the walls etc is complete. This is probably a fire code. If you are looking at a rental then I would suggest contacting the fire department
 

tom baker

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I agree with Dennis and RJ. The NEC is an installation standard, not a safety standard. If installed per the code, then it’s not NEC issue if the ckt is overloaded. Suggest contacting your fire dept for an inspection
 

suemarkp

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Most of your gripes are not NEC violations. Most things in the NEC apply when the wiring was installed and are generally not required to be updated as the code changes every 3 years. Even if there are "violations", there may not be an enforcement mechanism at the user level (e.g. cord and plug things) -- it typically is only for things that require inspections, such as permanent wiring. In an employee situation, OSHA may enforce some of these other issues.

Is that "cord" to the camera in your photo a 120V cord or a low voltage cable? Low voltage cables have less stringent rules and could probably violate all of the "cord" rules and still be legal. There is a difference between cord and cable, low voltage and voltages over 50V.

strip outlets,the rules on daisy chaining. Not an NEC issue. Instructions say not to do that because UL has not evaluated them to be daisy chained. Personally, I don't see the issue with this if they all have 15A circuit breakers.
extention cords used permanently. 400.8 has some restrictions on cord (such as running them through windows, doors, floors, ceilings, or using them in place of permanent wiring methods). I've never seen anyone enforce this other than OSHA.
overloading a 15 amp with other appliances added together like freezers on microwave circuits over the 80%. This isn't necessarily a rule. You can load a branch circuit to 100%, but an individual receptacle is limited to 80% if there is more than one on the circuit. A power strip could allow this to be violated. Again, these are difficult to enforce rules that everyone violates.
Cord and plug items over loading single duplex outlets with multiple strips. How do you know it is overloaded? Do these have circuit breakers in the strips and are they blowing? I've even daisy chained power strips when I had about 20 wall wart power supplies to connect and each one drew a fraction of an amp. Technically a violation, but it would have taken months to get another receptacle installed, and it would have been an additional cord coming out of the rack which I did not want to have.
Running extention cords permanently over doors,including ones that go outside? Already mentioned 400.8.
Also using those cheap non grounded 2 prong brown extention cords from 80s with 3 openings at other end.. Nothing wrong with that as long as the cord is sized sufficiently for the load (again, other than using extension cords in place of permanent wiring).

For old buildings that were wired in the 50's and 60's, they may not have sufficient circuits for what people want to run today. Do you expect someone to spend thousands to run new circuits when a power strip or extension cord may solve the problem? That is certainly the better solution, but not possible for many owners. A landlord would have to raise rent to cover those costs and maybe the market wouldn't support that level of rent. The proliferation of new rules in the code is not helping to reduce costs (e.g. AFCI and GFCI requirements, especially if you have an obsolete panel like a Zinsco or a filled up panel).
 

petersonra

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Where in nec is the codes on these violations - strip outlets,the rules on daisy chaining - , extention cords used permanently ,overloading a 15 amp with other appliances added together like freezers on microwave circuits, over the 80% ,over loading single duplex outlets with multiple strips . An running extention cords permanently over doors,including ones that go outside? Also using those cheap non grounded 2 prong brown extention cords from 80s with 3 openings at other end..

I know thats a lot of codes violations but i have to get all of them an print it. It will be ideal is one section has it all but NEC rules lists is huge ,an growing every year
Its to prove whats been done is a NEC violation or fire safety..

I saw soooo many codes violations in a rental its crazy .
Thanks .
Most pics were too big..
First off, if the outlet is properly protected by an appropriately sized OCPD, you can't overload it no matter how things you plug into it as the OCPD will just trip if there is an overload.

Same thing with extension cords. They are typically not an overload problem. They may be a hazard for other reasons but overloads are not the worst of it.

I am not sure any of the things you mention are an actual code violation. Things that are plugged into the outlets are not really part of the installation and thus probably not under the NEC. They might be a hazard, but probably not NEC violations.
 

floatr

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Maybe its in a Fire codes list..

I know its somewhere

Running extention cords as permanent wire is against it i know .,as is wires going out a front door where door opens an closed on them,.an daisy chaining 2 strips together is on fire code violation ..not sure if fire code has stuff nec doesnt thats why i asked
Its worded differently in nec im sure .Just looking to get the list .
Ill print the 80% rule..
Had a liscensed electrician just certify overcurrent from too much plugged in on the bryant 15 amps circuits ..

Also is Siemens breaker acceptable in bryant panel or does it have to be Eaton

Also is rental nec an fire codes any stricter on commercial vs residential.
 

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Joe.B

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Does your city have a code enforcement department or a rental inspection program? That's who you should be asking, in my opinion.
 

EC Dan

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As others have stated NEC is not be the most appropriate standard to apply here, however NFPA 1 11.1.3-11.1.5 clearly prohibits use of daisy chained power strips, improperly routed extension cords, and permanent use of extension cords.
 

petersonra

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As others have stated NEC is not be the most appropriate standard to apply here, however NFPA 1 11.1.3-11.1.5 clearly prohibits use of daisy chained power strips, improperly routed extension cords, and permanent use of extension cords.
Is this an enforceable code?
 

tom baker

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Also is Siemens breaker acceptable in bryant panel or does it have to be Eaton

Also is rental nec an fire codes any stricter on commercial vs residential.
Allowable breakers for panels are listed on the inside panel label
No difference on NEC for commercial or residential.
Don't know about fire codes
Again, please get with your fire department or building officals.
 

tom baker

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Following is the purpose of the NEC. Note that you installation may of been adequate when installed, and also note the wording on proper maintenance.
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