Need Help with Material List to Install a New 200A Panel, SE Cable and a New Meter

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I need some help with a Material List. I’m installing a new Meter, SE cable and a 200A Panel for a House in Massachusetts. May you guys verify my material list, and add, edit, or provide any suggestions?

Service drop to meter socket
(100ft) 2/0 Cu THHN or 100' 4/0 AL from service drop to meter terminals
(4) 2" PVC clips for the pipe on the side of the house
(1) 2" PVC Male connector
(1) 200amp Meter socket with 2" hub

Meter to panel Can be done straight from the back or out of bottom of meter socket using an LB...I'll use LB to get to basement sill
(1) 2" LB
(2) Short piece of 2" PVC
(1) 2" 90 degree
(1) 2" 45 elbow
(1) 2" PVC Male connector LN
(30ft) 2/0 Cu THHN
(1) 2" offset nipple
(4) 2" couplings
(2) 2" bushings

Panel including water ground
(1) 200 Amp 40 circuit panel with main breaker
(1) 30 amp breaker
(10) 15 amp breakers
(1-box) Romex Connectors
(1) Ground bar
1/2" connector for water ground
(50ft) #4 Cu to get to water ground
(2) water pipe clamps.
(1)1900 box
(1)Mulberry cover
(1)TR GFCI
(1) Offset nipple

Miscellaneous:
(1) Backer board
(3) Barrel splices
(2) Mastic Pads
(2) Silicone
(2) Duct seal

Did I forget anything? Please edit, add, or provide any suggestions!
Thank you!
 
Do a complete load calculation from article 220 and come back with more detail, your description of what you want to do means nothing in reality.
After that be prepared for a multitude of questions and probably more confusion. Do you have a Jman or someone experienced in this type of installation that can help you?

Roger
 
RBGS said:
I need some help with a Material List. I’m installing a new Meter, SE cable and a 200A Panel for a House in Massachusetts. May you guys verify my material list, and add, edit, or provide any suggestions?

Service drop to meter socket
(100ft) 2/0 Cu THHN or 100' 4/0 AL from service drop to meter terminals
(4) 2" PVC clips for the pipe on the side of the house
(1) 2" PVC Male connector
(1) 200amp Meter socket with 2" hub

Meter to panel Can be done straight from the back or out of bottom of meter socket using an LB...I'll use LB to get to basement sill
(1) 2" LB
(2) Short piece of 2" PVC
(1) 2" 90 degree
(1) 2" 45 elbow
(1) 2" PVC Male connector LN
(30ft) 2/0 Cu THHN
(1) 2" offset nipple
(4) 2" couplings
(2) 2" bushings

Panel including water ground
(1) 200 Amp 40 circuit panel with main breaker
(1) 30 amp breaker
(10) 15 amp breakers
(1-box) Romex Connectors
(1) Ground bar
1/2" connector for water ground
(50ft) #4 Cu to get to water ground
(2) water pipe clamps.
(1)1900 box
(1)Mulberry cover
(1)TR GFCI
(1) Offset nipple

Miscellaneous:
(1) Backer board
(3) Barrel splices
(2) Mastic Pads
(2) Silicone
(2) Duct seal

Did I forget anything? Please edit, add, or provide any suggestions!
Thank you!
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Are you installing ground rods? You need to supplement the water pipe electrode with another electrode. Also you mentioned SE cable but your list has PVC and wire on it. Although it will be dual rated you conductors used on the outside need to be THWN or some other wet location conductor.
 
Every time I do a panel change I bring all the things I know I'm going to need. And then I discover that I need more, usually little things. Luckily, I almost always have what I need on my service truck. If you don't have a service truck, expect to make a few material runs.
 
Welcome. One thing that stands out is your breakers. You will likely need a 50A (range), a few 40s (HVACs, oven), several 30s (water heater, dryer), numerous 20s for the kitchen. and AFCI for most of the 15 and 20A breakers.

Tho few do it, I prefer to run two short sections of 12/3, one to a j-box in the attic, and one to the crawlspace. This gives up to 4 additional 15 or 20A circuits in the future w/o having to fish the panel, and costs next to nada to install. If there is *any* possibility of a spa or the like in the future, running a 1" stub of ENT to the crawlspace is good too. Selling this to the owner is usually an easy proposition, especially when you lay out what cutting open finished walls, or spending 3x the time to do it later on will cost.

eta: nail plates, fire stop, a variety of drywall and expanding anchor type fasteners, and if you plan on replacing the drywall, scrap wood for backing, scrap piece of drywall, mud, drywall knives... you also need rags and PVC glue. probably a lot of other stuff you will find out once you get into it. make sure your cut length of #4 is long enough before you have it cut...
 
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RBGS said:
Service drop to meter socket
(100ft) 2/0 Cu THHN or 100' 4/0 AL from service drop to meter terminals..
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As Roger said, these 75°C 200A service conductors are only allowed if NEC 310.15(B)(7) applies, w/ any adjustment per load calcs (ie) Annex D7.

Much less without PoCo ESR's, meter spot, or proper service-drop size.
 
RBGS said:
I need some help with a Material List. I’m installing a new Meter, SE cable and a 200A Panel for a House in Massachusetts. May you guys verify my material list, and add, edit, or provide any suggestions?

Service drop to meter socket
(100ft) 2/0 Cu THHN or 100' 4/0 AL from service drop to meter terminals
(4) 2" PVC clips for the pipe on the side of the house
(1) 2" PVC Male connector
(1) 200amp Meter socket with 2" hub

Did I forget anything? Please edit, add, or provide any suggestions!
Thank you!
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If you are going to use PVC you may need to purchase some PVC conduit and maybe a PVC weatherhead.
 
roger said:
Do a complete load calculation from article 220 and come back with more detail, your description of what you want to do means nothing in reality.
After that be prepared for a multitude of questions and probably more confusion. Do you have a Jman or someone experienced in this type of installation that can help you?

Roger
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Around here they really wouldn't question him on a house with at 200 amp service. Things may be different in MA.
 
infinity said:
Are you installing ground rods? You need to supplement the water pipe electrode with another electrode.
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All the new services I do they just expect that the water service is now in plastic pipe and is no longer an electrode so it's always ground rods. If there are metal water pipes they will need to be bonded. The last one I did the water pipes were all CPVC and nothing to bond. I couldn't even find a pressure reduction valve so I'm not sure the plumbing was completely legal ( but not my problem).
 
growler said:
Around here they really wouldn't question him on a house with at 200 amp service. Things may be different in MA.
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That's not really my point, my point is how would you know how to help with a material list not knowing the size of the house and circuits required, the construction type of the house, what GE's are present, (there is at least one missing in his list) etc....

I could be wrong but as already mentioned, I would bet there are more than one 240V circuit in this house.

Roger
 
ActionDave said:
That is a must have. Inspectors will write a missing one up every single time even though nobody lands anything on them.
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I was at a house and had just installed the bonding bridge. The cable/phone/satellite guy (can't remember which) saw me installing it and heard me explain to the HO what it was.

I went to lunch and came back to find the guy had split bolted his ground to the GEC. Would have been faster easier to just use the bridge!:roll:
 
Little Bill said:
I was at a house and had just installed the bonding bridge. The cable/phone/satellite guy (can't remember which) saw me installing it and heard me explain to the HO what it was.

I went to lunch and came back to find the guy had split bolted his ground to the GEC. Would have been faster easier to just use the bridge!:roll:
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I know. It would not be so funny if it weren't so true.
 
Always a good idea to check with the utility to make sure what you want to install is acceptable.
 
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