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Don't know where one size smaller came from but 220.61 gives the criteria for neutral reductions on services and feeders.

Roger
 
crossman said:
Are you speaking of 2008 NEC 210.19(A)(1)Excp.2 and 215.2(A)(1)Excp.2?
I bet he is referencing the old concept on services. It use to be you could drop one size on the neutral SEC. I believe that was a rule of thumb but it is not accurate at all.
 
Thanks Dennis. That is correct. Why do you think they did this? They could have gone smaller most of the time.
 
lmchenry said:
Thanks Dennis. That is correct. Why do you think they did this? They could have gone smaller most of the time.

A lot of the SE cable stocked in this area will have a two size smaller neutral/ground.
 
crossman said:
Was a rule of thumb for those who couldn't do the Art 220 calcs?
To be honest, very few of us resi guys do calculation. I bet I have done less than 10 in the 28 years or so that I have been in business. When a house "feels" close we up it because people always seem to add on. I still generally drop the grounded conductor one size even tho I know I can go smaller.

Edited to change ungrounded conductor to grounded.
 
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lmchenry said:
Thanks Dennis. That is correct. Why do you think they did this? They could have gone smaller most of the time.

Because they didn't read 220.61 or as Crossman says, they couldn't do the calcs.

Roger
 
Or as Dennis said, sometimes it's just easy to drop one size (rule of thumb) and go with it.

Roger
 
roger said:
Because they didn't read 220.61 or as Crossman says, they couldn't do the calcs.

Roger

That may be true but I remember that rule being passed down 30 years ago. I never read it but I always followed that rule for some reason. I know how to do the calcs and I know I can go much lower than that. I guess I always thought it was a good compromise.

Somehow it feels wrong pulling a #2 copper grounded conductor with 2/0 copper
 
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