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I've been wondering about all these new appliances that are going in homes now!

Everyone paying attention to these things, has it effected your installs ?

Refg. with computers, dryers with steam, and just this morning as seen on TV, dishwashers with steam!
 
cadpoint said:
I've been wondering about all these new appliances that are going in homes now!

Everyone paying attention to these things, has it effected your installs ?

Refg. with computers, dryers with steam, and just this morning as seen on TV, dishwashers with steam!
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sounds like there might be more 'harmonics' comming on the lines with everything from microwaves, frigs, stoves, tv, start to have all this computer stuff. Even though it may take a little more to start pulling seperate neutrals on this stuff.
 
cadpoint said:
I've been wondering about all these new appliances that are going in homes now!

Everyone paying attention to these things, has it effected your installs ?

Refg. with computers, dryers with steam, and just this morning as seen on TV, dishwashers with steam!
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We can always find things to complain about and certainly the new appliances have caused their share of the uproar. What bugs me more is the appliance manufacturer specs that require us to do more than the NEC. For example, a ice maker that draws 6 amps and is required by the manufacturer to have a dedicated circuit or a hot tub that requires a full size EGC.

On a different note I just wired a washer / dryer that was one unit and fit under the counter-- It only required a 120 volt hookup. I know the Europeans have had these for years but 120V????

I also wired an undercounter wine cooler that only draws 80 watts. I looked at it for ten minutes. Of course I noticed this after I had just wired a dedicated circuit because the HO as for it. Oh well.
 
Now the big thing is two dishwashers.

Also ice makers, wine coolers, hard wired coffee makers, floor warmers, towel warming racks, warming drawers, central vac 120 v. , trash compactors , even had to provide a circuit for a dumb waiter.
It's okay as long as you catch every thing on the prints.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
What bugs me more is the appliance manufacturer specs that require us to do more than the NEC. For example, a ice maker that draws 6 amps and is required by the manufacturer to have a dedicated circuit or a hot tub that requires a full size EGC.
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Why would that bother you?:-?
 
buckofdurham said:
Now the big thing is two dishwashers.

Also ice makers, wine coolers, hard wired coffee makers, floor warmers, towel warming racks, warming drawers, central vac 120 v. , trash compactors , even had to provide a circuit for a dumb waiter.
It's okay as long as you catch every thing on the prints.
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That's the problem most of the time. The stuff is not on any drawings. I do my best to extract as much info from the HO in the beginning so we dont have to face it later. I did a custom home this year for a doctor and he had built enough homes over the years to know that if was not code min. it was extra and he had no problem paying for it. After rough in he and I walked through to make sure every thing was where he wanted it. His wife spoke up and ask did you tell him about the extra freezer and the ironing center? No. What about the floor recpts. He forgot. I am like your psychiatrist you must tell me every thing. I sent him to aggravate the framers while she and I did the walk through. 2K later every thing was complete the way they wanted. And I didn't have to fight sheet rock later to do it.
 
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brother said:
sounds like there might be more 'harmonics' comming on the lines with everything from microwaves, frigs, stoves, tv, start to have all this computer stuff. Even though it may take a little more to start pulling seperate neutrals on this stuff.
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There would be no harmonics currents in a typical house supplied by a single phase 120/240 volt system.
 
I wired a remodel that was getting an LG brand refrigerator that needed a network jack behind it. I did my next couple new homes that way, just in case, but I've never seen another internet capable refrigerator since that very first one. GE had some sort of fancy microwave out called something like "Advantium" that took a 240V circuit, but I only ever wired two of them. I think that product idea fell by the wayside.

What I seem to have to always ask about is the range. The circuit to some of these fancy monsters can be anything under the sun.

Most of these appliance things are fads anyhow. Remember the NuTone blenders that were built into the countertops? The cooktops with the pushbuttons you'd mount remotely, via Greenfield, in the upper cabinets? Fads that have all gone away. Just like anything else, get your spec sheets and go with the flow.
 
mdshunk said:
Remember the NuTone blenders that were built into the countertops?
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One of my uncles had some sort of Kitchen aid motor unit built in to the counter and you could drive mixers, grinders blenders etc. He was so proud of it at the time. (1972 or so)
 
iwire said:
One of my uncles had some sort of Kitchen aid motor unit built in to the counter and you could drive mixers, grinders blenders etc. He was so proud of it at the time. (1972 or so)
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Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about. I've never seen a Kitchen Aid one. All of them I've seen were NuTone. Motor built into the counter top, and you could click in all sorts of implements of destruction.

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[SIZE=+1]Nu Tone Built In Food Center[/SIZE] Posted 8-15-2006
Here is an attempt to end "counter-clutter" -- it is the Nu Tone Built-in Food Center. This clever device mounted a motor and speed cotrol (The "Power Base") in the sink-top. Recently, one of our readers sent in a pictures of a Nu Tone Center that dates from the 1950s:
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The Power Base, as Found by Our Reader (l.) and New
The system offered a wide variety of tools that could be inserted in the power-take-off (top) after a screw-in cover had been removed. Power was transmitted through a "Power Post". A variety of appliances were offered:
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The Vast Array of Appliances Used With the Nu Tone System
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The Food Procesor and Other Parts (see below)
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The Ice Crusher
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The Can Opener

When my Dad and I were in the Kitchen Business, we installed a few of these, only in the hoomes of very wealthy people. The idea did not catch on because you only traded counter-clutter for drawer-clutter. Also, buying all these appliances from one manufacturer made you captive to them. The Nu-Tone company does not make these anymore, although you may be able to find them on internet auctions. Thanks to the great kindness of our friend "Acme Ron" in Phoenix, I now have a ".pdf" of the manual -- Contact Me if you want one.
 
mdshunk said:
GE had some sort of fancy microwave out called something like "Advantium" that took a 240V circuit, but I only ever wired two of them. I think that product idea fell by the wayside.
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I still see the 120v Advantiums. Haven't seen any of the 240v 30 amp models far a few years.
 
electricmanscott said:
I still see the 120v Advantiums. Haven't seen any of the 240v 30 amp models far a few years.
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Interesting... I might have seen 120V Advantiums too and just didn't realize that's what they were. Might have thought they were just a microwave. I pretty much always dedicate a circuit to the microwave space if I know where it's going.
 
ceb58 said:
After rough in he and I walked through to make sure every thing was where he wanted it. His wife spoke up and ask did you tell him about the extra freezer and the ironing center?

I sent him to aggravate the framers while she and I did the walk through. 2K later every thing was complete the way they wanted. And I didn't have to fight sheet rock later to do it.
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Bravo! Well done. That's exactly what you do when it's a custom home. :smile:
 
mdshunk said:
Remember the NuTone blenders that were built into the countertops?
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I sure do. My friend's parents still have one, and it still works. It's a bit noisy, though.

The cooktops with the pushbuttons you'd mount remotely, via Greenfield, in the upper cabinets?
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Or mounted in the backsplash, below the uppers. That was also a GE.

My parents had one with that same control panel mounted on it, not remotely, but I've seen them.
 
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