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ohm

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electra 2008 said:
I am not sure why Dominic decided to take this opportunity to dig on me as an instructor and Mike Holt as a teacher, and I debated on not even responding to it.
Since I started my entire post with, "I am a new instructor", I must say that I never said that I am a good teacher, I plan to be, but no one is a perfect instructor their first day out of the gate. I appreciate everyones polite answers to my question and I look forward to being able to get other peoples opinions here in the future.
I face tremendous odds being a woman in a mans field, even more getting ready to teach the new guys/girls coming into our 4 year apprenticeship program. I was surprised to get such a negative post on this forum.
:-?

The very fact that you asked for advice tells me a lot about you. I worked with a PHD who said when he gives a lecture he plans on 90% of the audience to grasp most of his message, 5% to grasp all of his message and 5% to grasp none of his message.

I taught and electrical/electronics associates program in a local community college and thats what I attempted to do also. Some will attend to round out their education, some will grasp everthing and could actually teach the course and some don't have a clue and don't even try.

You will do fine and I'm glad you responded to this attack.:smile:
 
Thank you

Thank you

Thanks for the support...
Too many times I just bite my tongue when people say something because I don't want to make waves, but I felt attacked by the message when i was innocently asking a valid question.
kyla:)
 

gar

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electra 2008:

An understanding of instruments is very important.

Here are some experiments you might consider, and it would be important to describe the theory as to why.

Note: the ratio of RMS to average of a full wave rectified sine wave is 0.70711/0.63662 = 1.1107 . 0.63662 derives from the exact value of 2/Pi, 0.707 from sq-root 2/2 .

Consider 5 different waveforms and 5 different instruments. These were generated from a Tektronix function generator.

The waveforms are:
Sq-wave +/-10 peak, sine peak 10 V, triangular peak 10 V, and rectangular +10 V for 8 MS and -10 V for 2 MS, and offset the rectangular waveform to + 20 V and 0 V.

The instruments are:
Simpson 260 (circa 1948, an antique), Simpson 270 (circa 1970, tautband), Fluke 27, Fluke 87, and Oscilloscope.

Results:
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The following are measured in the AC position.

Sq-wave ( Adjusted to read 10.0 on Fluke 87, and verified on the scope)

 Measured  Theoretical
  10.0        10.00          Fluke 87
  11.4        11.11          Fluke 27 ( 1.0 * 1.111 = 1.111 )
  11.0        11.11          Simpson 260
  11.0        11.11          Simpson 270
  10                         Scope peak above and below 0


Triangular-wave ( Adjusted to read +/- 10.0 peak-to-peak on scope)
( The error on the 87 might be from my setting of the peak on the scope.)
(This is where an accurately created waveform would be a better source.)

 Measured  Theoretical
   5.94        5.77          Fluke 87
   5.67        5.56          Fluke 27 ( 0.5 * 1.111 = 0.5555 )
   5.2         5.56          Simpson 260
   5.55        5.56          Simpson 270
  10                         Scope peak above and below 0


Sine-wave ( Adjusted to read +/- 10.0 peak-to-peak on scope)

 Measured  Theoretical
   7.09        7.07          Fluke 87
   7.03        7.07          Fluke 27
   6.9         7.07          Simpson 260
   6.9         7.07          Simpson 270
  10                         Scope peak above and below 0
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Rectangular-wave ( Adjusted on scope +10 for 8 MS, -10 for 2 MS)

 Measured  Theoretical
   7.92        7.86          Fluke 87
   7.15        7.04          Fluke 27
  16.7         DK            Simpson 260
  11.0         DK            Simpson 270
  10                         Scope peak above and below 0


Rectangular-wave ( Adjusted on scope +10 for 8 MS, -10 for 2 MS)
                 ( The same as the preceding except in DC position. )

 Measured  Theoretical
   6.00        6.00          Fluke 87
   6.00        6.00          Fluke 27
   6.0         6.00          Simpson 260
   6.00        6.00          Simpson 270
  10                         Scope peak above and below 0
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Rectangular-wave ( Adjusted on scope +10 for 8 MS, -10 for 2 MS)
                 ( Function generator was not modified, but 10 V was added )
                 ( from an HP DC supply)
                 ( AC position, AC and Output includes a series capacitor. )
                 ( The actual RMS value of this waveform is 17.89 )

 Measured  Theoretical
   7.90        8.00          Fluke 87 ( This result is because of the input capacitor.)
   7.14        7.11          Fluke 27 ( (4*0.8 + 16*.2)*1.11
  38.            DK          Simpson 260
   7.0         7.11          Simpson 260 ( AC and Output )
  18.            DK          Simpson 270
   7.0         7.11          Simpson 270 ( AC and Output )
  10                         Scope peak above and below 0


Rectangular-wave ( Adjusted on scope +10 for 8 MS, -10 for 2 MS)
                 ( Function generator was not modified, but 10 V was added )
                 ( from an HP DC supply)
                 ( DC position, )

 Measured  Theoretical
  16.00       16.00          Fluke 87
  15.99       16.00          Fluke 27
  15.7        16.00          Simpson 260
  15.9        16.00          Simpson 270
  +20 and 0                  Scope peak above and below 0

The Fluke 87 is classified as a true RMS reading meter. The Fluke 27 and the Simpsons are full wave rectified average measuring and scaled to read RMS on a sine wave. Both the Flukes have a series input capacitor in the AC voltage position and therefore strip the DC component from the input. The Simpsons have no input capacitor in AC unless you change to the Output terminal which adds a series capacitor in the AC mode. The 1948 260 had a 1000 ohms/volt sensitivity on AC, newer ones and the 270 have 5000 ohms/volt on AC. On DC all the Simpsons have 20,000 ohms/volt.

The DK above means I do not know and I really have no idea for the strange results. But note these are for a signal with a non-zero DC component to an AC waveform.

Note: The measured results for the Flukes on the rectangular waveform were the same with and without the added DC component. However, note real RMS value is much higher because of the DC component.

The 1948 Simpson probably used a copper oxide rectifier, and newer ones probably use silicon or germanium diodes.

I have only glanced at the following reference but it may be useful to you:
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_1/3.html

A better and more accurately controlled way to generate the test waveforms would be a computer program controlling a precision DAC.

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Karl H

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Someone owes Someone an apology...:wink:

When I was an apprentice I remember "Series-Parallel Circuits" being the most confusing subject for me. Plus, my teacher added to the confusion
by thinking you must be an Emotionless,ridgid,machine in order to teach
electrical science. So be versatile.Because everyone learns differently.
Be able to explain one thing in multiple ways. Because, if you ever think
your teaching a class of idiots.Your "Teaching Skills" may be to blame.
Good luck to you.
 
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