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electricmanscott said:
How so? :-?
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I was mistaken, when the table came up in the quote section of my reply is was all jumbled together. I guess that I read it incorrectly. My response should have been the OSHA guy is wrong.
 
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Kent is correct, a duplex receptacle is just that, 2 receptacles, it is perfectly legal to use a 15A rated device. The OSHA and NEC rules are exactly the same in this regard. The only time it has to be a 20A rated device is when it's a single direct shot with a single receptacle like for a window A/C, microwave, insta-hot etc...
 
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K8MHZ said:
When was the last time you saw a 20 amp plug on a device made for residential use?
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infinity said:
I was mistaken, when the table came up in the quote section of my reply is was all jumbled together. I guess that I read it incorrectly. My response should have been the OAHS guy is wrong.
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My bad. I should have done a preview first. Looked fine when I copied it from OSHA.
 
At this point, it sound like the inspector need a lesson in the definitions of 'receptacle' and 'duplex'.

If he things a duplex is one receptacle, ask him to explain how you can plug in TWO cords...:smile:
 
Dennis Alwon said:
The inspector is probably thinking that a duplex device is a single receptacle. A duplex is not a single device or we could never use our 15 amp recep. on any kitchen counter circuits. I believe the dude is misinformed.
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I second , third , and Fourth, and fifth...
Do we have a quarum?
 
Mr.Sparkle said:
Kent is correct, a duplex receptacle is just that, 2 receptacles, it is perfectly legal to use a 15A rated device. The OSHA and NEC rules are exactly the same in this regard. The only time it has to be a 20A rated device is when it's a single direct shot with a single receptacle like for a window A/C, microwave, insta-hot etc...
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Yep that's wht they call em DU PLEX . DUALLLLLLLL
 
You may want to be prepared with this from the definitions in the NEC-- Of course, you already know this.

Receptacle. A receptacle is a contact device installed at the outlet for the connection of an attachment plug.A single receptacle is a single contact device with no other contact device on the same yoke. A multiple receptacle is two or more contact devices on the same yoke.
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29 posts on this in like 90 minutes .... hot topic.

Which way up did the OSHA guy want the receptacle?

< Running for cover > :grin:
 
In addition to NEC quotes, be ready with some OSHA regs quotes. First, the 1926 series of rules applies only to electrical installions used to power construction activities. If you are installing it, but not using it, 1926 doesn't apply. Even if it does, 1926.402(a) says "NOTE: If the electrical installation is made in accordance with the National Electrical Code ANSI/NFPA 70-1984, exclusive of Formal Interpretations and Tentative Interim Amendments, it will be deemed to be in compliance with 1926.403 through 1926.408, except for 1926.404(b)(1) and 1926.405(a)(2)(ii)(E), (F), (G), and (J)."

It would appear that the COSHO didn't read enough, but be VERY polite when you suggest to his supervisor.
 
G0049 said:
It would appear that the COSHO didn't read enough, but be VERY polite when you suggest to his supervisor.
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Very good advice :wink: and welcome to the forum.

Roger
 
Many years in the Michigan OSHA program has taught me that pretty much everything I thought I knew is wrong, or at best, half right. After more than 35 years I wear out more code books checking on rules than the new inspectors.

That's because I want my work to be done in a neat and workman like manner. Grounds down, no tape on my wire nuts.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
I would take this osha idiot to the top floor of the parking garage,OOPS
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Which OSHA idiot, the one in the OP or me? Hopefully not me, unless they serve ice cold gin & tonics up there. My point was that everytime I go to the book, I discover something I didn't know, or rediscover something I had forgotten, or find a new way to look at a rule I thought I knew well. I've been visiting the Forum for months, and this seems to be a pretty common attitude around here..
 
G0049 said:
Which OSHA idiot, the one in the OP or me? Hopefully not me, unless they serve ice cold gin & tonics up there. My point was that everytime I go to the book, I discover something I didn't know, or rediscover something I had forgotten, or find a new way to look at a rule I thought I knew well. I've been visiting the Forum for months, and this seems to be a pretty common attitude around here..
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Yes you if you go onto jobs not knowing differance between a duplex and a single.Your costing us money for your lack of schooling.Nothing high at time just 4 levels,come visit me.Think what your costing others for your mistake.It is in the thousands.
 
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