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kwired said:
The GEC only needs connected to the service disconnecting means, or some common point ahead of the service disconnecting means, per NEC. Only time a feeder would need to connect to the GEC is if it is a separately derived system or the supply to a separate building or structure, but that would be a new GES at the separate building or structure
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I agree with you try telling that to these inspectors when u need a sign off to get paid

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nickelec said:
I agree with you try telling that to these inspectors when u need a sign off to get paid

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When I mentioned a misunderstanding, it wasn't necessarily you or other installers that are the ones who misunderstand;)
 
kwired said:
When I mentioned a misunderstanding, it wasn't necessarily you or other installers that are the ones who misunderstand;)
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I got ya but that's what they want now I don't understand it either they want all the neutrals bonded with the gec to my understanding it should only be bonded at the first point of disconnect as you mentioned or the main disconnect

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nickelec said:
I got ya but that's what they want now I don't understand it either they want all the neutrals bonded with the gec to my understanding it should only be bonded at the first point of disconnect as you mentioned or the main disconnect

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nickelec said:
to my understanding it should only be bonded at the first point of disconnect as you mentioned or the main disconnect

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How can that happen when the metering is load side of the service disconnect. The neutral(s) in the metering are bonded to the meter enclosure. Metering is one example of load side bonding of the sytem neutral when the metering is load side and adjacent to the service disconnect.
 
david said:
How can that happen when the metering is load side of the service disconnect. The neutral(s) in the metering are bonded to the meter enclosure. Metering is one example of load side bonding of the sytem neutral when the metering is load side and adjacent to the service disconnect.
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Meter centers like pictured often have isolated neutral. If you do bond the neutral you do so in the "mains" section, which can be main lugs, fused disconnect, circuit breaker. Apparently OP's has main lugs. Once you go beyond six tenants in a situation like that you must put the service disconnect ahead of the meters or else you have too many service disconnecting means.

Individual sockets usually have the neutral permanently bonded to the cabinet.
 
kwired said:
Meter centers like pictured often have isolated neutral. If you do bond the neutral you do so in the "mains" section, which can be main lugs, fused disconnect, circuit breaker. Apparently OP's has main lugs. Once you go beyond six tenants in a situation like that you must put the service disconnect ahead of the meters or else you have too many service disconnecting means.

Individual sockets usually have the neutral permanently bonded to the cabinet.
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Your right the section off to the right contains main lugs neutral is bonded there as well

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kwired said:
Meter centers like pictured often have isolated neutral. If you do bond the neutral you do so in the "mains" section, which can be main lugs, fused disconnect, circuit breaker. Apparently OP's has main lugs. Once you go beyond six tenants in a situation like that you must put the service disconnect ahead of the meters or else you have too many service disconnecting means.

Individual sockets usually have the neutral permanently bonded to the cabinet.
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kwired said:
Individual sockets usually have the neutral permanently bonded to the cabinet.
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And the meter to the left of the meter combo units is a individual meter enclosure,

and as far as the meter combo i have seen them both ways if the single socket alone or both the single socket and the meter combo its bonded load side of the main service disconnect.

250.142 Use of Grounded Circuit Conductor for Grounding Equipment.
(B) Load-Side Equipment. Exception No. 2: It shall be permissible to ground meter enclosures by connection to the grounded circuit conductor on the load side of the service disconnect where all of the following conditions apply:
(2) All meter enclosures are located immediately adjacent to the service disconnecting means.
 
This is a pretty good topic thanks for all the input in all your opinions do u guys see any NEC violations

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nickelec said:
Your right the section off to the right contains main lugs neutral is bonded there as well

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Since you are on load side of service disconnect that neutral shouldn't be bonded - but apparently your AHJ don't see it that way with their common bonding bus rule.

For now you say most occupants don't have a panel in their occupancy, when they do get one are they supposed to bond the neutral in them and run a bond conductor back to that common bonding bus?? If so this would make all sorts of possible parallel neutral paths - which is one thing NEC intended to prevent with the general rule of not bonding the grounded conductor past the service disconnect.
 
kwired said:
Since you are on load side of service disconnect that neutral shouldn't be bonded - but apparently your AHJ don't see it that way with their common bonding bus rule.

For now you say most occupants don't have a panel in their occupancy, when they do get one are they supposed to bond the neutral in them and run a bond conductor back to that common bonding bus?? If so this would make all sorts of possible parallel neutral paths - which is one thing NEC intended to prevent with the general rule of not bonding the grounded conductor past the service disconnect.
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When the panels finally get installed u do Jo bond the neutral at the sub panel they don't want that

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nickelec said:
When the panels finally get installed u do Jo bond the neutral at the sub panel they don't want that

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Your meter center and panel in the area are the same thing - just with less feeder length between them:roll:

The single meter socket could fly with the exception mentioned earlier - but is supposed to be immediately adjacent to the service disconnecting means. Your case is pushing that description a little.
 
I agree and it used to be that way here u only bond the neutral at the main

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It's a plp public lighting panel or a landlord panel the Poco wants any plp when there's 3 or more meters to be of the bypass type so that meter has to be separated in order to be a bypass

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nickelec said:
It's a plp public lighting panel or a landlord panel the Poco wants any plp when there's 3 or more meters to be of the bypass type so that meter has to be separated in order to be a bypass

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Similar thing here: did a job with 4 apartments and 4 commercial spaces. PoCo requires bypass for other than dwellings, so I had a stack of each.

Were the bypass stacks that much more that it was worth the wireway, conductor, etc over just buying one stack with all bypass?
 
electrofelon said:
Similar thing here: did a job with 4 apartments and 4 commercial spaces. PoCo requires bypass for other than dwellings, so I had a stack of each.

Were the bypass stacks that much more that it was worth the wireway, conductor, etc over just buying one stack with all bypass?
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I was going to ask that.
 
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