NM Cable over three floors above grade

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I ran into a situation on my the project I'm running today. Boss comes out to the site and says that we are running NM in the apartments and SER from the meter packs to the individual apartment panels. No problem for the most part but, one of the buildings has a forth floor. I remember back when i was in school that we were told that you couldn't run NM more then three stories above grade. Try as I might, I couldn't find it in the code today. Would some one point me in the right direction if this is still in the code? Second question is wouldn't the same rule apply to the SER that he's planning on running to the forth floor? Thanks in advance.

J.S.Harvey
 
I am guessing they did away with that rule. I remember the rule also but I tried to find it a few weeks ago and couldn't.
 
Hang on I have it as soon as I get all the connections...stand by
 
I recently did some service work in an 8-story concrete and steel apartment building wired entirely with NM cable and plastic boxes (built in 2006). It is permitted.

(The service work was related to the fire alarm, not the NM cable!)
 
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Looks like Dennis and BHP were both right. I found it '99, but not in '02. guess I'm not loosing my mind after all,,lol. Thanks

J.S.Harvey
 
Also, when SE Cable is used as a feeder or branch circuit, it must comply with the same provisions as NM cable. See 338.10 of the NEC.
 
334.10 (2) and (3) and annex E for building determination types. Here is what the 2005 Handbook commentary has -

A well- established means of codifying fire protection and fire safety requirements i to classify buildings by types of construction, based on materials used for the structural elements and degree of fire resistance afforded by each element. The five fundamental construction types used by the model building codes are Type 1 (fire resistive), Type II (non combustible), Type III (combination of combustible and noncombustible), Type IV (heavy timber), and Type V (wood frame). Types I and II require all structural elements to be noncombustible, whereas Types III, IV, and V allow some or all or all of the structural elements to be combustable (wood).

The selection of building construction types is regulated by the building code, based on the occupancy, height, and area of the building. The local code official or the architect for a building project can be consulted to determine the minimum allowable 9permitted) construction type under construction. When a building of a selected height (in feet of stories above grade) and area is permitted to be built of combustable material (i.e. Types III, IV, or V), the installation of nonmetallic sheathed cable is permitted). The common areas (corridors) and incidental and subordiante (laundry rooms, lounge rooms, etc.) that serve a multifamily dwelling occupancy are are also considered part of the multifamily occupancy, thereby allowing the use of nonmetallic-sheathed cable in those areas.

If a building is to be of noncombustable construction (i.e. Type I or II)by the owner's choice, even though the building code would permit combustable construction, the building is allowed to be wired with nonmetallic-sheathed cable. In such an instance, nonmetallic cable may be installed in the non combustable building because the code would have permitted the building to be of combustable material. Annes E provides charts and other explanatory information to assistthe user in understanding and catagorizing the exact types of constructionunder consideration. A table to cross referencebuilding types to the various building code types of constructionis also provided in Annes E.


In other words, if you interpet correctly out of Annex E great, if not, ask the AHJ.

Is that clear as mud?
 
i always thought when useing romex in residental dwellings, once u get above the 3rd floor , u cant leave that floor with romex, for instance running a circuit from floor 3 to floor 4. but if u had 4 floors u can wire the units on the 4th floor with romex as long u dont leave that floor. i hope u understand what im trying to say.
 
cloudymacleod said:
i always thought when useing romex in residental dwellings, once u get above the 3rd floor , u cant leave that floor with romex, for instance running a circuit from floor 3 to floor 4. but if u had 4 floors u can wire the units on the 4th floor with romex as long u dont leave that floor. i hope u understand what im trying to say.

Is that a local rule?
 
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