NM in 5-Story Bldg.?

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Be sure to include the date of the print you are bidding off of, and dates of revisions. Had a GC one time bring up an updated print and see it's on there, went back to my quote and my print was versions old not my fault.
 
peter d said:
Ahhhh...the old "straw man" argument. I should have known. ;)

There's hacks who install MC cable wrong too...so we should ban that. Also, sometimes the same hacks don't install EMT right either...ban that too...in fact I can't think of a single wiring method that can't be hack, so let's ban all of them. ;)
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Nice fantasy but mc cable is a much more durable alternative as you well know.
 
quogueelectric said:
Nice fantasy but mc cable is a much more durable alternative as you well know.
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I don't know. I know I can stomp on the edge of a roll of MC and ruin it, but NM would stand a fighting chance, unless I was wearing golf shoes.

The right wiring method is the one that is permitted by code and spec and enhances the bottom line the most. Durability plays into that choice very little to not at all.
 
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mdshunk said:
I don't know. I know I can stomp on the edge of a roll of MC and ruin it, but NM would stand a fighting chance, unless I was wearing golf shoes.

The right wiring method is the one that is permitted by code and spec and enhances the bottom line the most. Durability plays into that choice very little to not at all.
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Like I said fairytale scenarios. MC cable is not to be installed on the floor and STOMPED on . It is to be pulled off 1000 foot reels and never even needs to hit the floor. The slightest metalic brush into nm and you are energized whether it causes a short or an electrocution or an annoying shock or spark is up to the mechanics of the installation. It is not for a commercial environment in my opinion.
 
quogueelectric said:
Like I said fairytale scenarios. MC cable is not to be installed on the floor and STOMPED on . It is to be pulled off 1000 foot reels and never even needs to hit the floor. The slightest metalic brush into nm and you are energized whether it causes a short or an electrocution or an annoying shock or spark is up to the mechanics of the installation. It is not for a commercial environment in my opinion.
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Why? because thats the only way you've ever done it? I bet if your first commercial job was done with NM you would not even comment on this! and THAT IS A FACT!
 
quogueelectric said:
It is not for a commercial environment in my opinion.
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Please don't come to New England then, where a good many of our commercial buildings are wired with NM cable...supermarkets, high rise apartment towers, strip malls, office buildings, banks etc etc...by your estimation they should all be condemned or at the very least completely rewired, no?
 
stickboy1375 said:
Why? because thats the only way you've ever done it? I bet if your first commercial job was done with NM you would not even comment on this! and THAT IS A FACT!
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My first commercial job was an explosionproof paint hanger in a Grumman plant with live weapons mounted on the jets zooming around. Pvc coated rigid and all explosionproof. I come from a different planet than you AND I DONT have to like installing romex in commercial buildings no matter how you rationalize it you are wasting everyones time here so move on. That is a fact!
 
And sooo.... Back at the Ranch...

Found out today that the building is of Type 3 construction so I guess I'm good w/ NM whether we all like it or not.
 
quogueelectric said:
Sure I will share.
Mostly because a more commercial building GENERALLY has more grounded materials involved in them such as metal studs metal ceiling grid metal doorbucks metal screws everywhere metal floor saddles metal doors metal pencil rod OR metal wire to hold such ceiling grid or ceiling blackiron to hold sheetrock.
This is all usually supported by steel I beams which are connected to the conductive concrete floor which is connected to the stuff we call dirt which is not such a good conductor as copper but anyone with some mathematical background can tell you what happens to resistance when you put the infinity sign under the single resistive path to ground.
Bolted steel I beams 5 stories high poured concrete for a floor at least the first one or even the basement only.
All of this weight pressing in direct contact with the earth (kind of sounds like a ufer at this point) All tied to the steel framework up 5 floors could pose an electrocution hazard to someone.
You think romex strung across steel hat channel might get knicked and energize a strip of ceiling grid waiting for some unsuspecting jerk to come along and complete the path just so the landlord can save a few thousand bucks on his install?? There is no defence for the inevitable hack who will have some method to duck a proper inspection. Not all electricians posess a conscience from what I have seen.[/i]
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Been ropen' houses with metal studs for 20 years. builder here is now added metal trusses to the mix. Going green baby!
 
peter d said:
Please don't come to New England then, where a good many of our commercial buildings are wired with NM cable...supermarkets, high rise apartment towers, strip malls, office buildings, banks etc etc...by your estimation they should all be condemned or at the very least completely rewired, no?
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I am saying the wiring method is not as safe as mc. Why not go back to knob and tube?? it is perfectly safe when installed properly. Btw I have been to New England and will soon take my Conn masters test. Better get some cow be gone spray here comes the cow just a ferry ride away.
 
quogueelectric said:
I am saying the wiring method is not as safe as mc. Why not go back to knob and tube?? it is perfectly safe when installed properly. Btw I have been to New England and will soon take my Conn masters test. Better get some cow be gone spray here comes the cow just a ferry ride away.
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There are enough cows in Connecticut already....you can stay on Long Island just fine. :D ;)
 
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