NM to outside panel

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kikomera said:
My area has finally started to enforce the 2014 NEC and I keep running into the same problem: Inspectors are failing inspections due to NM wire exiting from the attic into a conduit and then into the main panel.
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electricguy61 said:
Code Nazi's run amuck. What has happened to common sense?
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The code is what it is. Speaking of common sense why didn't the electrician run the cable from the attic down the inside of the wall and come in the back of the panel to start with? Conduit running up a wall at a residential site looks like crap.
 
growler said:
The code is what it is. Speaking of common sense why didn't the electrician run the cable from the attic down the inside of the wall and come in the back of the panel to start with? Conduit running up a wall at a residential site looks like crap.
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Most times the homeowner doesn't want his interior walls messed with, even though you explain that sheetrock is the cheapest repair to make.
 
electricguy61 said:
Most times the homeowner doesn't want his interior walls messed with, even though you explain that sheetrock is the cheapest repair to make.
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Isn't it the owners choice to have work done -- you give alternatives not lose $ on the job & let the owner pick -- never make short cuts on code.
 
For the life of me I can't understand why anybody would put a panel outside on the side of a building. This seems to be popular in the warmer climates like CA and FL. Disconnect if necessary yes but a whole panel? I don't care if the enclosure is raintight, the dampness is going to get at the breakers sooner rather than later and now that AFCIs are being required how long do you think they are going to last? So now there is a problem getting NM out there? The panel doesn't belong out there in the first place.

-Hal
 
hbiss said:
For the life of me I can't understand why anybody would put a panel outside on the side of a building.

-Hal
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Not real crazy about the idea of outside panels myself. One of my customers has one and everytime I have been there it's raining and the panel is behind some bushes and mounted down low so I end up in the mud with water pouring off the roof.

Give me a nice dry basement or garage or something.
 
electricguy61 said:
Code Nazi's run amuck. What has happened to common sense? Have we had sooo many NM-B failures in exterior conduit, along with the subsequent fires? :happysad: I would venture to say that there is more danger to safety because of the difficulty in stripping the outer sheath of UF when the conductors become exposed.
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On the OP's install, I can't agree any more!
 
Yes, that rule could be found in 2011. To add to all of this what to do with kitchen islands? Under slab is also considered to be a wet area, and many tines I find electrician running NM thru raceway.

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Thwn in pvc

Thwn in pvc

Used to do quite a bit of hvac wiring new and change out. Quite often on the change out we came across romex in pipe outside, but for our new installs we would transition to thwn in pvc if we had to go up and into attic. Usually into a 4" square then out with romex where it was needed. Pvc is easy to work and inexpensive. Another option we used was uf run with the copper up to the air handler into the disconnect switch for air handler.
Although a lot of our work was from garage or basement panels. We figured a little more time spent saved a trip back for failed inspection.
 
hbiss said:
For the life of me I can't understand why anybody would put a panel outside on the side of a building. This seems to be popular in the warmer climates like CA and FL. Disconnect if necessary yes but a whole panel? I don't care if the enclosure is raintight, the dampness is going to get at the breakers sooner rather than later and now that AFCIs are being required how long do you think they are going to last? So now there is a problem getting NM out there? The panel doesn't belong out there in the first place.

-Hal
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QFT.
 
goldstar said:
Now that's a stretch for an indoor kitchen !!!:(
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I agree. That's just example that letter of the code is not as always as it shall be. Some things are just stretch and common sense shall prevail.
My house in Phoenix, AZ is 33 yr. old and panel is located outside with NM cables in raceway up to attic and I've never have had any problems.

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darkov said:
Yes, that rule could be found in 2011. To add to all of this what to do with kitchen islands? Under slab is also considered to be a wet area, and many tines I find electrician running NM thru raceway.

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For what it is worth, the rule that went in during 2011 just clarified things that had already been against the code.
 
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