No more bulbs in CA?

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What do you CA guys think about legislators wanting to get rid of incandescent light bulbs in your state? See: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/energy_california_lightbulbs_dc

I have to say I use CFLs in my home whenever possible but they are dim when you first turn them on and take a while to warm and get to max brightness. Especially at this time of year ( in Chicago area).
 
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tmbrk said:
What do you CA guys think about legislators wanting to get rid of incandescent light bulbs in your state? See: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/energy_california_lightbulbs_dc
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Not much..we call them "lamps"...these are "bulbs"
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Though I hadn't heard about it, I kind of figured that it was headed that way. With the CA Energy Code the way it is now "point of sale" was the only way to get full compliance.

Don't pay attention to Celtic, he wouldn't know a bulb from a hole in the ground. : )
 
Only thing is they are a hazardous waste.

I think most individuals do not dispose of them properly. SO you trade energy savings for additional pollution costs.

Nuts
 
muskiedog said:
Only thing is they are a hazardous waste.

I think most individuals do not dispose of them properly. SO you trade energy savings for additional pollution costs.

Nuts
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I never really thought of that. What is the proper way to dispose of them?:-?
 
In minnesota they must be placed in a carton, labeled as waste. Do not over stuff the carton. Depending on the type of lamp will dictate on how much you have to pay per bulb for disposal. A hazardous waste manifest needs to be complete, sent to a licensed reclamation company.

If they are damaged the have to be packaged seperately and then you have to deal with the proper procedures for clean up. etc...

House holds are supposed to bring them into a local haz mat facility usually supplied by the city or county.
 
muskiedog said:
In minnesota they must be placed in a carton, labeled as waste. Do not over stuff the carton. Depending on the type of lamp will dictate on how much you have to pay per bulb for disposal. A hazardous waste manifest needs to be complete, sent to a licensed reclamation company.

If they are damaged the have to be packaged seperately and then you have to deal with the proper procedures for clean up. etc...

House holds are supposed to bring them into a local haz mat facility usually supplied by the city or county.
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What's the electrical contractor to do when they relamp a commercial building?
 
What's the electrical contractor to do when they relamp a commercial building?
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I can't speak for other states, but in Jersey a commercial relamp, would require you to place them in a carton, label them as waste. then pay per bulb for disposal. You also need A hazardous waste manifest, the recycle company will send you pre lables boxes or containers for you to send to the licensed reclamation company, same procedure with ballast.

Not following the law, can be very expensive, there is no limit on enforcement, if you disposed of them 10 years ago they can still open a case.
IMO it 's too easy to do it right, but i guess like anything else, some will try to get away with it, their excuse is usually the coustomer will not pay for that, Doctors, have had to contract with bio waste companies for years, just part of doing business.

Look at it as a profit center, charging for your time to do the paper work and package up the Lamps and don't send bulbs because they will be tulips by the time they get there!
 
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Having to deal with CA title - 24 pt 3 is a big pain, which makes electronic ballasted CFLs mandatory is a few areas. I have recently heard a good skirt of the whole thing - claim to be an epileptic... As even flicker free is not totally flicker free. (Apparently they have problems with dimmers too?) Had a conversation with an Inspector that said that was the only out... And I don't think this law this dweeb is drowning on about will take hold as 80% of people hate the light color produced by them. Even people who love them second guess when you tell them that it is hazardous waste.
 
Nothing would suprise me here. I gave up years ago. I'm buying property in AZ and will retire there when I get a few more $$$ out of this goldmine.
 
Cavie said:
How did we get for "Incandescent" to "flourescent"
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Well I do not see to many vapor halides, etc being placed in homes so most likely it will be flourescent bulbs.

Also to put into the mix is you now have trucks driving around to pickup the bulbs, wasting gas, oil, tire treads, etc.

Power to run the equipment to process the waste to usable biproducts.

Then you have trucking costs again to bring the raw materials to a manufacture.

Manufacture will use more energy to make new products.

The you have to waste more energy to get the new products to market.

Then it starts all over.

Does this really save energy?

One thing is they never look at the total picture. I was instrumental in setting up a internal recycling plant for a printing company and recycling is not always the most energy efficient way to handle our waste streams. And actually you may end up wasting more material, water, energy, etc to get a good recycled product.
 
It would be interesting to see the results of these legislators personal fiancial interests. The demand would grow for the fluorescents faster than the supply as soon as the requirement went into effect. Then guess what, who saves and who is now making a larger profit?

I would not change out my bulbs anyhow. Are they going to send an inspector to every home, business, apartment in the entire state to enforce this?

You make the call!:mad:
 
There'll be lots of money to be made on the incadescent blackmarket.

They'll be smuggling 'em in across the state line.

"Just Say No!":wink:
 
don't like me

don't like me

using those flourescent bulb for about a year and finally got rid of them. I when back to the good old 100w Incandescent bulb for my bedroom. Don't really like the power output of the flourescent. Needs more power in them.
 
most residential units have bathrooms where they turn off the lights after use. imagine if this is a flourescent bulb and it gets turned on/off several times a day.

mabe somebody will manufacture an incandescent that looks like a flourescent bulb.....
 
robbietan said:
most residential units have bathrooms where they turn off the lights after use. imagine if this is a flourescent bulb and it gets turned on/off several times a day.

mabe somebody will manufacture an incandescent that looks like a flourescent bulb.....
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Home Depot carries some flourescent bulbs that have an outter "shell" that resembles an indcandescent bulb but is acutally a CF. They are the N:Vision line of bulbs.
 
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