No more bulbs in CA?

[mhulbert]

I work on a lot of high end lighting...this will never fly with these people. I have gotten linear flourescents and some high end dimmable CFL downlights installed, as these make sense in certain areas and apps. (soffits and indirect). I NEVER install a "typical" 100W A lamp, and instead use the A Lamp halogen bulbs. They cost about $6 each, but last 3000 hours (compared to 750 hrs for incan), don't get dim as they age, and deliver much higher lumens per watt (though less than CFL). Most importanlty, they have the color, and dimmability that people want. I use the IR version of halogen downilghts (a 37W IR lamp gives off the same light as a 50W conventional, etc).

CA should be forcing 18 SEER A/C systems if they want to take a chunk out of energy consumption, A/C is our major peak season load.

 

[cowboyjwc]

We already enforce the 18 seer A/C. We also require duct testing on all furnace change outs, energy efficient windows, cool roofs, sky lights, dimmers on lights, manuel on occupancy sensors in bathrooms, on and on and that's just in residential.

The code does not call for CFL. It calls for high efficacy luminaires.

lamp power(LP) <15 watts Required lamp efficaccy(RLE) 40 lm/W, LP 15-40 watts RLE 50 lm/w and LP >40 watts RLE 60 lm/W.

Metal halide or CFLs will usually meet these requirements.

The manuels (one residential one non-residential) for the Energy Efficiency Standards is every bit as big as the NEC.

Some one asked how they'll enforce it. Some states already have what they call "point of sale". You just won't be able to buy anything else. Unless of course we start seeing tunnels going into Canada.

 

[ryan_618]

The thing that bothers me about energy conservsation is this...

I have inspected some very large houses, and had to check that the windows were the right U-factor, the insulation was the right R-factor, the doors were right, the furnace was high efficiency, and then when I look in the basement, I see that they have a 500,000 BTU boiler so they can heat their driveway to melt the snow in winter. :-?

 

[e57]

Recently worked on a house with hydronic heat in the garage, when I asked... I found out it was because the dog doesn't like cold concrete...

Sorry to say, more money is responsible for global warming, but it keeps guys like us working on their multi M$ homes...

I dont work for that company anymore, but pretty sure their plan is to pull down a few cielings after the final to get rid of all their high effecient lighting that they need to pass the inspection with.

 

[mhulbert]

e57 or other CA sparkies,

Have you had any luck in using recessed lights that let you switch out to PAR's/<MR16's after the inspector leaves? The newere version of the code prohibits this, but I don't see any inspectors that are even remotely familiar with how some cans let you change after install. THey certainly aren't looking at the stickers or spec sheets! I've used Iris units like this, but we ended up keeping the flourescent modules in them since they don't look that bad with a warm cone finish. All the inspectors I've dealt with know a lot less about T 24 than most electricians. Are there any out there that know the residential code, and enforce it?

 

[robbietan]

Home Depot carries some flourescent bulbs that have an outter "shell" that resembles an indcandescent bulb but is acutally a CF. They are the N:Vision line of bulbs.


boy, what they make these days...
LOL

 

[bkludecke]

e57 or other CA sparkies,

Have you had any luck in using recessed lights that let you switch out to PAR's/<MR16's after the inspector leaves? The newere version of the code prohibits this, but I don't see any inspectors that are even remotely familiar with how some cans let you change after install. THey certainly aren't looking at the stickers or spec sheets! I've used Iris units like this, but we ended up keeping the flourescent modules in them since they don't look that bad with a warm cone finish. All the inspectors I've dealt with know a lot less about T 24 than most electricians. Are there any out there that know the residential code, and enforce it?

I hated this stuff at first but I'm getting to like it now. It will be better when the dimming capabilities of the electronic ballast cf units are more readily available/affordable.

 

[peter]

The legislator who proposed this is rather short sighted. The easy way to cut those obnoxious polutants is to shut down the power plants.
Here in San Diego, we have about two power plants and the politicians are thinking about shutting down the one in Chula Vista to pave the way for a new football stadium.
~Peter

 

[e57]

e57 or other CA sparkies,

Have you had any luck in using recessed lights that let you switch out to PAR's/<MR16's after the inspector leaves? The newere version of the code prohibits this, but I don't see any inspectors that are even remotely familiar with how some cans let you change after install. THey certainly aren't looking at the stickers or spec sheets! I've used Iris units like this, but we ended up keeping the flourescent modules in them since they don't look that bad with a warm cone finish. All the inspectors I've dealt with know a lot less about T 24 than most electricians. Are there any out there that know the residential code, and enforce it?

Iris makes a modular can that you can swap out the guts for the lamping of your choice - they are technicaly not allowed, but most inspectors will look the other way when they see them - unless they really have a bug deep somewhere... But if they dont... you're screwed if its a bid job. But you probhably made a good deal on the mark-up of them price fixtures, but you loose that when you're forced to remove them... FYI - the last place I installed them - they liked the fourecent version better and kept them.

Another method I have heard of is using 6" halo cans and then getting the lampholders and swapping out to Par-30/38s. I haven't done it! And the last person who asked me about it I advised not to, as he would be lacking the thermal protector unless he swapped out the guts of the can.