No Service Disconnecting Means?

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ActionDave said:
There is nothing in your pic that screams danger it's just that people will change the siding, roof, countertops, cabinets, furnace, fridge, washer, dryer and everything else on their house and not touch the electrical.

That looks like a 1980 or so service and at some point it needs an upgrade even if there wasn't a transfer switch going in. Bonus would be that you could power the hot tub from a breaker outside, that is if it's not in the 110.3 work space.
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That hot tub is too close to the electrical.
 
bobster789 said:
I guess if there's ever a fire, the firefighters are gonna use the meter as a "disconnecting means"?
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Either that or cut the drop. We've even had past discussions here about the tenets of the NEC requiring an outside disco. I agree w/ having one, but think it should be left up to AHJ/property owner etc

GoldDigger said:
PS: If it is indeed a POCO meter, why padlock instead of seal? Or is that just a funny looking seal?
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Hard to tell if that is a lock- thick like a lock, but that could just be the way the light hit it- making a seal appear fatter?

I missed the hot tub, but see it now- is too close for sure in lower left like Sierrasparky said above . Either it or the service is going to have to be moved
 
I see no reason a service upgrade is necessary. Quite likely the panel inside should be replaced if it dates to 1966, but we haven't seen it yet in this thread.
 
user 100 said:
Either that or cut the drop. We've even had past discussions here about the tenets of the NEC requiring an outside disco. I agree w/ having one, but think it should be left up to AHJ/property owner etc



Hard to tell if that is a lock- thick like a lock, but that could just be the way the light hit it- making a seal appear fatter?

I missed the hot tub, but see it now- is too close for sure in lower left like Sierrasparky said above . Either it or the service is going to have to be moved
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It is a device placed by the POCO which looks very similar to a small padlock. The shackle is fatter.
 
bobster789 said:
That is correct. I'll post a pic shortly (have to figure out how first)...
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The remedy that I would suggest is to Install a 200 Ampere 3R Service Rated panel between the meter and the indoor panel. Unless an automatic transfer switch is desired equip the new panel with a listed breaker interlock that prevents the main breaker and the one that serves as the Generator Supply disconnecting means from both being closed at the same time. That will probably turn out to be the most cost effective solution in the long run.

If an automatic transfer switch is preferred then it could be installed in between the new 100 Ampere circuit breaker to protect the new feeder to supply the existing panel, located in a new 200 ampere 3R Service Rated panel, and the existing panel itself.

If no Service upgrade is needed because all of the heat producing appliances are fuel fired then just install a main breaker enclosure adjacent to the meter and used it to supply the transfer switch for the whole house regardless of whether it will be manual or automatic.

Lastly you could use a transfer switch that is listed as service equipment located adjacent to the meter.

In each of these cases the Service Entry Cable will have to be replaced with Four conductor cable. and a separate grounding buss will need to be installed in the existing panel. You will also have to run the Grounding Electrode Conductors to the location of the new service equipment.

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Tom Horne
 
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