"No splices shall be used in power, control, and/or signal wiring"

[bullheimer]

2.03 Connectors.
A.All wiring shall be continuous from point to point - no splices of any kind are allowed. All control and signal wire shall land on numbered terminals.
B. Ideal Industries "Wing Nut" or 3M Company " SCOTCHLOCK" pre-insulated connectors may be used for general purpose lighting and recep circuits for splices and taps in conductors No. 10 AWG and smaller. For No. 8 AWG and larger conductors, utilize T&B compression connectors. Compress using recommended die and tools.

So how do you reconcile BOTH of these in the same paragraph? That's what is so insane about this thing. ( As far as i am concerned, B above gives me the right to do it the way its spozed to be done) and their definition for flex...dig this:

2.01.3 Conduit:
C:Flexible Conduit (LFS)
1. Flexible conduit shall be interlocking single strip, galvanized and shall have a polyvinyl chloride jacket extruded over the outside to form a flexible watertight raceway. Non-metallic flexible conduit shall have non-metallic threaded fittings. (nowhere in the specs is there a proper definition of flexible metallic conduit, nor permission to use it).

I wire you are such a whiner with this name calling thing. you make it feel like this site is in a nursery school for crying out loud. It's obvious to anybody reading this spec sheet whoever wrote it doesnt know SQUAT about wiring anything. On top of that, I AM PROHIBITED BY THE GENERAL TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO ANY OF THE OWNERS. (snohomish county) Trust me, i would LOVE to set this guy straight.

 

[Cow]

2.03 Connectors.
A.All wiring shall be continuous from point to point - no splices of any kind are allowed. All control and signal wire shall land on numbered terminals.
B. Ideal Industries "Wing Nut" or 3M Company " SCOTCHLOCK" pre-insulated connectors may be used for general purpose lighting and recep circuits for splices and taps in conductors No. 10 AWG and smaller. For No. 8 AWG and larger conductors, utilize T&B compression connectors. Compress using recommended die and tools.

You said originally no splices, what you posted above said wiring is continuous point-point. I read that as splices are allowed at devices using the above mentioned wire nuts and crimps.

I wire you are such a whiner with this name calling thing. you make it feel like this site is in a nursery school for crying out loud.

Is this your way of asking for help?:roll:

 

[iwire]

I wire you are such a whiner with this name calling thing. you make it feel like this site is in a nursery school for crying out loud.

Thats funny, I am not the one saying my job is to difficult.

 

[Smart $]

2.03 Connectors.
A.All wiring shall be continuous from point to point - no splices of any kind are allowed. All control and signal wire shall land on numbered terminals.
B. Ideal Industries "Wing Nut" or 3M Company " SCOTCHLOCK" pre-insulated connectors may be used for general purpose lighting and recep circuits for splices and taps in conductors No. 10 AWG and smaller. For No. 8 AWG and larger conductors, utilize T&B compression connectors. Compress using recommended die and tools.

So how do you reconcile BOTH of these in the same paragraph? That's what is so insane about this thing. ( As far as i am concerned, B above gives me the right to do it the way its spozed to be done) and their definition for flex...dig this:

No unnecessary splices. It's really quite simple. If a circuit gets pulled from its source through several j-boxes en route its final destination, there will not be any splices in those j-boxes except for tapping-splices of shared multi-outlet conductors, i.e. three or more wires electrically connected out of necessity.

2.01.3 Conduit:
C:Flexible Conduit (LFS)
1. Flexible conduit shall be interlocking single strip, galvanized and shall have a polyvinyl chloride jacket extruded over the outside to form a flexible watertight raceway. Non-metallic flexible conduit shall have non-metallic threaded fittings. (nowhere in the specs is there a proper definition of flexible metallic conduit, nor permission to use it).

I agree. You cannot use FMC. You are permitted to use only LFMC and LFNMC, and no metallic fittings for the latter. There is really nothing about this spec' that is hard to understand.

 

[bullheimer]

OKAY so i run a pipe to a room. there are recepts on three walls. going by this spec means loop it. I UNDERSTAND PLAIN ENGLISH but practically, doing this means looping the power either up and down from a j box over head which would over-fill the conduit or run pipe all around the whole room inside the framing, RATHER than one j box over head with one feed in and three out. As any NORMAL person would install it.

And why would anyone require liquidtight inside the building? nothing else is raintight.

B: means to me splice it whereever i want (jbox) for the lights and recept ckts, which sounds normal, and then yes, if i can run a dedicated ckt all the way w/o cutting it then i should be fine with that as well. but only because this is a very small building. otherwise it would be almost impossible to run in one pull. (and why do i care? easy, i am doing this whole job by myself, just like i bid it)

this is just yet ANOTHER example why NO one should be allowed to become and electrical engineer or architect w/o spending at every summer "vacation" from school packin around a tool pouch. it's just unbelievable: you guys sitting here telling me how easy it is to follow these specs. please go back and read the first reply... THIS GUY knows what i'm talking about. anyway adios for now. got my input, thanks alot. have a nice day.