non continuous loads on a branch circuit

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Tim Fretwell

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On a 120VAC system, I have 6 loads that all have around 1% duty cycle, or only used very briefly when used. Each load has a FLA of 7 amps. There are no continuous loads. How many of these can I install per 20amp circuit breaker per NEC?
 

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Unless this is for special equipment, duty cycle doesn't matter or how brief the loads are. You are limited to 80% of 20 amps. So for 42A you are talking about 3 20A circuits.

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you can only put 2 on one circuit. 2X7=14
NEC 210.23 Permissible Loads, Multiple-Outlet Branch Circuits. In no case shall the load exceed the branch-circuit ampere rating.
 

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you can only put 2 on one circuit. 2X7=14
NEC 210.23 Permissible Loads, Multiple-Outlet Branch Circuits. In no case shall the load exceed the branch-circuit ampere rating.
I agree, if they were 6.66 amps each then you could put three on the circuit.
 

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On a 120VAC system, I have 6 loads that all have around 1% duty cycle, or only used very briefly when used. Each load has a FLA of 7 amps. There are no continuous loads. How many of these can I install per 20amp circuit breaker per NEC?
Pretty simply, just two. Otherwise the load could potentially exceed the circuit rating.

As a practical matter, if you had three on a circuit and all three came on simultaneously, it is unlikely this would create either a hazardous condition or lead to a nuisance trip.
 

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As a practical matter if these loads are truly independent (random operation for 1% of the time, nothing that could make all operate at the same time) and the operating time is short (less than 10 seconds) then all 6 loads would operate just fine on a single 20A circuit.

But NEC provides no method for calculating this and _calculating_ that it is safe.

-Jon
 

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As a practical matter if these loads are truly independent (random operation for 1% of the time, nothing that could make all operate at the same time) and the operating time is short (less than 10 seconds) then all 6 loads would operate just fine on a single 20A circuit.

But NEC provides no method for calculating this and _calculating_ that it is safe.

-Jon
If they are truly independent and/or random, it would be inevitable that all six would be on simultaneously at some point. 42 Amps for a few seconds might will open a 20 A OCPD.

Now if you could interlock them to insure no more than two were on simultaneously, you would be able to put all six on a 20 Amp circuit.
 

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If they are truly independent and/or random, it would be inevitable that all six would be on simultaneously at some point. 42 Amps for a few seconds might will open a 20 A OCPD.

Now if you could interlock them to insure no more than two were on simultaneously, you would be able to put all six on a 20 Amp circuit.

Let us imagine that these loads operate in such a fashion that in any given second each load has a 1% chance of operating, totally randomly, and that the load operates for the entire second starting and stopping precisely on integral second boundaries.

In this case the chance of all 6 being on simultaneously is 1/10^12 in any given second. Wait long enough and it is a virtual certainty that they will all operate...but 'long enough' in this case is on the order of 32 thousand years. (Assuming totally random, then they _might_ all operate at the same time in the first second, and after 32K years there is no guarantee that they will have ever operated at the same time, but if you wait long enough then it will eventually happen.)

The chance of 4 being on at the same time is 1/10^8 in any given second, or about 1x per 3.2 years.

My point is simply that _if_ the CMP thought it were worth while to provide the appropriate calculation there would certainly be a 'diversity factor' permitted, just like there is for things like electric ranges. However there is no code provision for permitting this sort of calculation, so to be code compliant you need to fall back to assuming there is no diversity factor unless you have some sort of interlock arrangement.

IMHO if these loads are as described, and all were placed on a single 20A circuit, there would never be a problem. I'd bet a single bottle of good beer on this outcome.

IMHO if all these loads are as described, to be code compliant you need to limit to 2 per 20A circuit.

-Jon
 

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Another question is how important are these loads? How many can you have shut down at once while doing service work on one of them?
 

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Thanks hbiss, can you please point me to where the 80% limit comes from for my reference?

I believe it’s because standard CBs are only rated 80%. If you have all 100% rated breakers you could load the circuit up to the 20A.
The code basically says that a circuit breaker for a branch circuit must be rated such that it can handle the noncontinuous load plus 125% of the continuous load.
When the circuit breaker is listed for operation at 100% of its rating, the additional 25% requirement goes away. Ref section 210.20(A).

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I believe it’s because standard CBs are only rated 80%. If you have all 100% rated breakers you could load the circuit up to the 20A.
The code basically says that a circuit breaker for a branch circuit must be rated such that it can handle the noncontinuous load plus 125% of the continuous load.
When the circuit breaker is listed for operation at 100% of its rating, the additional 25% requirement goes away. Ref section 210.20(A).
The OP mentioned that all of these loads are non-continuous so there is no 80% factor involved. A 20 amp circuit can have a 20 amp non-continuous load.
 

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The OP mentioned that all of these loads are non-continuous so there is no 80% factor involved. A 20 amp circuit can have a 20 amp non-continuous load.

Not disputing that fact - just making a comment as to the reasoning. If those loads change in the future you’d have to go back to the 80% rule with standard CBs.


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Tim Fretwell

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Thank you all for being so generous with your expertise. The existing system is in fact wired with all 6 devices (dock locks) on a single 20amp breaker, and has been since installed in 1996. No one ever recalls a breaker trip. However, I am at this time upgrading these lock controllers, which causes me to review the install to ensure it's code compliant. It seems that, although incredibly unlikely, technically to comply with code, I can't put more than two devices per breaker. I understand sometimes what's practical, and what's legal don't always align. Is there any provision in the code that allows for a deviation based on local engineer review? Seems like I remember seeing something like this before.
 

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The NEC considers duty cycle for industrial control panels 409.20, special equipment throughout chapter 6, and provides an example in Annex D-9.

For boat docks, the NEC may also share authority with The American boat and yacht Council (ABYC), if locally adopted.
 

Tim Fretwell

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Sorry, not boat dock, receiving dock locks. It locks the trailer to the dock for safety. Maybe would be considered special equipment?
 
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