Non GFI in unfinished basement

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I have a customer that wants a dedicated 20 amp line ran to receptacle for a cord and plug treadmill. Per the code Article 210.8(A)(5) this needs to be a GFI. in my experience, treadmills do not like GFI's (or GFI's do not like treadmills). In my 2005 code there is an exception (2) that would allow me to install this outlet without GFI protection. however in my 2017 code book, this exception has been removed.

does anyone know what code cycle removed this exception? is there anyway to install an outlet in an unfinished basement that will be on a dedicated circuit and used for a specific cord and plug appliance and not require GFI protection?
 
Bill Turax said:
I have a customer that wants a dedicated 20 amp line ran to receptacle for a cord and plug treadmill. Per the code Article 210.8(A)(5) this needs to be a GFI. in my experience, treadmills do not like GFI's (or GFI's do not like treadmills). In my 2005 code there is an exception (2) that would allow me to install this outlet without GFI protection. however in my 2017 code book, this exception has been removed.

does anyone know what code cycle removed this exception? is there anyway to install an outlet in an unfinished basement that will be on a dedicated circuit and used for a specific cord and plug appliance and not require GFI protection?
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Nope. Exceptions were removed in 2008.

Would have to be 240V or 30A to not be GFCI.

Under 2005 that receptacle prolly not would qualify for exception anyways.
 
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Thanks for the answer. that is a bummer, what are you supposed to do in this situation then? I guess all I can do is inform my customer ahead of time and say the treadmill might trip with the GFI and there is nothing that can be done about it.
 
I have had treadmills in my basement plugged into a gfci receptacle without issues. My daughter has one at her home also. Maybe we’re just lucky?
 
Bill Turax said:
Thanks for the answer. that is a bummer, what are you supposed to do in this situation then? I guess all I can do is inform my customer ahead of time and say the treadmill might trip with the GFI and there is nothing that can be done about it.
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I would use the GFCI recept, I haven't seen all that much trouble with treadmills.

I know the newest GFCIs are self testing and I don't know if that will cause problems, but that is a different issue.
 
Thanks for all the reply's. I have not done one for a treadmill in many years. maybe my past bad experiences were just with older models, and more modern ones work better with GFIS now. I guess I will see.
 
retirede said:
I have had treadmills in my basement plugged into a gfci receptacle without issues. My daughter has one at her home also. Maybe we’re just lucky?
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I think it's about the same as refrigerators. I see refrigerators all time plugged into GFCI protected receptacles in basements and garages. They don't seem to have a problem but there are certain models that will trip a GFCI.

If it trips a GFCI they can always get a new treadmill or finish a room in the basement and it can trip an AFCI.
 
jumper said:
Nope. Exceptions were removed in 2008.

Would have to be 240V or 30A to not be GFCI.

Under 2005 that receptacle prolly not would qualify for exception anyways.
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I don't have a 2017 version but I thought I read the "120V, 15 and 20 amp only rule" was eliminated and its pretty much everything? Mind posting the reference (210.8 I think?)
 
MattS87 said:
I don't have a 2017 version but I thought I read the "120V, 15 and 20 amp only rule" was eliminated and its pretty much everything? Mind posting the reference (210.8 I think?)
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Actually very little has changed for GFCI requirements in dwellings. But there was changes that include much more then just 15/20 amp 120 volt receptacles in non dwellings.
 
kwired said:
Actually very little has changed for GFCI requirements in dwellings. But there was changes that include much more then just 15/20 amp 120 volt receptacles in non dwellings.
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good to know, thanks. I don't do resi so I'll admit I don't keep up with particulars on it
 
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