Not sure if this gos here but help

[fillmorr]

I am a out of work 2nd year apprentice that's till the knee wants to work right who dos mostly commercial work i took on a side job just for some money since its been like 3 months since i had any money but i want to make sure im doing this all right so any comments are appreciated


I have been asked to wire in a range receptacle were a gas one was at. Im going about 50ft from the panel which im not to sure about there's two spots left at the bottom but i don't have enough wire on any of the other breakers to move them down to that spot thought of taking some wire nuts to give me the extra length since i have seen that before. But anyways i have 10*3 w/ground and a 50amp breaker dos this sound right?

 

[cal1947]

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you need 6-3 cu romex

 

[Flex]

Maybe someone else would back me up but 8-3 cu romex should be fine. 6-3 for aluminum conductors. I dont know which would be cheaper.

 

[infinity]

Fillmorr,

Given the nature of your questions IMO you're in a little over your head. Will you be pulling a permit for this job and having it inspected?

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

Fillmorr
I understand your pain.
My first question is do you have an NEC code book?


10/3 is not the proper size conductor for the range.

Yes, you can splice inside of the panel enclosure, 312.8.


NM Cable, size 8/3 is not the proper size for a range large than 40 amperes.
One needs to reference 334.80, which will require the NM cable to be sized no larger then the ampere ratings provided in Table 310.16, 60C column.

For your 50A range, you will need 6/3 NM cable.
Maybe it would be cost effective to install 8/3 AC cable

 

[Flex]

Fillmorr
I understand your pain.
My first question is do you have an NEC code book?


10/3 is not the proper size conductor for the range.

Yes, you can splice inside of the panel enclosure, 312.8.


NM Cable, size 8/3 is not the proper size for a range large than 40 amperes.
One needs to reference 334.80, which will require the NM cable to be sized no larger then the ampere ratings provided in Table 310.16, 60C column.

For your 50A range, you will need 6/3 NM cable.
Maybe it would be cost effective to install 8/3 AC cable

Thats an eye opener. My company just did a 42 unit apartment building all ranges in 8-3 as per the drawings. Not one person said anything about it and when i brought up 6 wire to my foreman he pointed me to table 310.16.

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

Flex
What type of cable did you install in this building?

 

[Flex]

I went to another job so I never actually installed any of the range cable. I saw it though and it was 8-3 nm copper with a black jacket if that makes any difference. Ill have to ask the foreman if it was a 40A or less range.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I went to another job so I never actually installed any of the range cable. I saw it though and it was 8-3 nm copper with a black jacket if that makes any difference. Ill have to ask the foreman if it was a 40A or less range.

Most standard ranges will be fine with an 8/3 copper nm cable.

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

Most standard ranges will be fine with an 8/3 copper nm cable.

Dennis
Were not denying that. The OP stated he has a 50A rated range.

 

[infinity]

Maybe it would be cost effective to install 8/3 AC cable

One point of interest that I would mention is that AC cable, if installed in thermal insulation, must be used at it's 60 degree C ampacity. 320.80. That puts in the same category as NM. You could use MC cable at 75 degrees C in thermal insulation however.

 

[G & G Electric]

Your gusto an want-to is admirable, but I believe infinity is correct - you may be a little over your head on this one. I understand money troubles though. That being said, take your time and study the code. Get an experienced opinion that can come and look at your work. The ENTIRE code book is designed to keep people from getting electrocuted, and property from catching on fire. These are real life situations, even more so if you don't have a clue about what you are doing.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Dennis
Were not denying that. The OP stated he has a 50A rated range.

I read he put it on a 50 amp OCPD. That does not mean the range is rated 50 amps.

 

[220/221]

But anyways i have 10*3 w/ground and a 50amp breaker dos this sound right?

If you are a 2 year apprentice I am a 25 year old runway model.

I can't believe that anybody here bought your story. They are useally asll over the homeowners and wannabees. You learn basic amperages in your first 3 months no matter what kind of work you are doing.

And it's "goes" and "does"

 

[growler]

If you are a 2 year apprentice I am a 25 year old runway model.

I can't believe that anybody here bought your story. They are useally asll over the homeowners and wannabees. You learn basic amperages in your first 3 months no matter what kind of work you are doing.

Many states don't have an apprenticeship program so he may have done some electrical work. His earlier post described being let go for fear of working in a very dangerous situation ( two guys on the top of ladder) so he may not have worked for a very good company. One that would teach him anything ( they sure didn't teach safety).

That said , he probably is in over his head and attempting to do work for which he is unqualified. At the very least he is taking to many chances for a small amount of money. ( no license or insurance and little skill).

 

[satcom]

If you are a 2 year apprentice I am a 25 year old runway model.

I can't believe that anybody here bought your story. They are useally asll over the homeowners and wannabees. You learn basic amperages in your first 3 months no matter what kind of work you are doing.

And it's "goes" and "does"

A second year apprentice, should know the basics and a lot more, he may be working for some EC for 2 years, with no formal studies, going nowhere fast.

 

[fillmorr]

Thanks you all for your replys the reason i was going with 10/3 was because the few houses i did while working in residential i remembered using it. And im a 2nd year apprentice class work why but in the field i guess you can say im about year on the job but when your stuck doing the shoveling an running for material its hard to learn much

 

[fillmorr]

but never mind in my 10/3 i mixed myself up on somethin elese so thanks you all

 

[celtic]

..... i guess you can say im about year on the job but when your stuck doing the shoveling an running for material its hard to learn much

That is part of learning the trade..how deep a trench needs to be and WHY....what materials [size, where to/not use, etc].

When you become a JW you'll need to know this stuff ~ when is that going to happen?

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

I know apprentices who have worked 4 years humping pipe, etc... making more money (due to overtime) than some mechanics and really did not know the difference in wiring a switch or receptacle. I am aware that the local has changed the apprentiship program to help reduce these issues. In some other shops, they may be on condo/house projects for years and not get very extensive training.