NPFA versions by city / state

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Hi,
Is there a website with the current NFPA editions that each city / state follows? For example, where do I find what version of NFPA 110 (year) New York City is following?

Thanks again!
 
I doubt that you'll find a comprehensive list since the adoption changes on the State or local level. Regarding NYC, according to this from their website they do not fully adopt NFPA 110.

CHAPTER 7: Special Conditions (Code Section 700.1 to 780.7)

Section 700 - (6/6/2012)

We respectfully request a code interpretation regarding location of automatic transfer switches that provide power to emergency lighting and fire alarm system and emergency distribution panelboards in existing buildings on a college campus. As per the Rule of the City of New York, Chapter 12 (RCNY 12-01) and Section 27-115 and 27-118 of the Administrative Code; NFPA 110, Section 7.2.2; and the 2011 New York City Electrical Code:

a. Is it acceptable to install automatic transfer switches for emergency lighting and fire alarm system in:
i. 2-hour fire rated room or space housing the main electrical service equipment?
ii. Dedicated 2-hour fire rated emergency generator room?
iii. 2-hour fire rated mechanical room housing the emergency generator?
iv. 2-hour dedicated room.

b. Is it acceptable to install emergency distribution panelboards in:
i. 2-hour room or space housing the main electrical service equipment?
ii. Dedicated 2-hour fire rated emergency generator room?
iii. 2-hour fire rated mechanical room housing the emergency generator?
iv. 2-hour room housing automatic transfer switch

c. Is there a threshold related to cost of alterations based on RCNY 12-01 and Section 27-115 and 27-118 of the Administrative Code that permits the installation of automatic transfer switches for emergency lighting and fire alarm system in:
i. 2-hour fire rated room or space housing the main electrical service equipment?
ii. Dedicated 2-hour fire rated emergency generator room?

d. Is there a threshold related to size of service equipment rated 120/208 Volts based on NFPA 110 Section 7.2.2 that permits the installation of automatic transfer switches for emergency lighting and fire alarm system in:
i. 2-hour fire rated room or space housing the main electrical service equipment?
ii. Dedicated 2-hour fire rated emergency generator room?



a.i. No
a.ii. No.
a.iii. No.
a.iv. Yes.

b.i. No.
b.ii. No if they are at the load-side of the ATS’s. Yes if they are at the line-side of the ATS’s.
b.iii. See 2.b. above.
b.iv. Yes.

c.i. No; Sections 27-115 and 27-118 of the administrative code are applicable to the Construction Codes (Building, Plumbing, Mechanical, and Fuel Gas Codes). For NYC electrical administrative code please refer to Local Law 39 of 2011.
c.ii. No; see 3.a. above.

d.i. No. The installation must comply with the NYC electrical code, and it's amendments including their referenced standards in effect at the time of filing. NFPA 110, Section 7.2.2 was added under 2005 version which is not a NYC Building Code reference standard, the Electrical Code references only specific sections from NFPA 110 2005.
d.ii. No. see (d.i.) above.
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http://www1.nyc.gov/site/buildings/codes/ecric-code-interpretations-2012.page
 
I'd think it would be a nightmare to maintain such a site as to keep it accurate and up-to-date. AHJs are constantly making local amendments, and since many do not do so on a regular basis (like the 3-year code cycle), finding out such information, who to contact, verifying the accuracy of the information, etc..... would be a full-time job.
 
I found this in the 2014 NYC Building Code, under chapter 27... section 2702.1 (INSTALLATION)... "Emergency and standby power systems shall be installed in accordance with the New York City Electrical Code, NFPA 110 and NFPA 111."

@ Infinity, would this imply that NYC fully adopted all the rules and standards in NFPA 110? I see what you're saying from the response to the question from the nyc.gov website, but would that be at odds with what chapter 27 says?
 
480sparky said:
I'd think it would be a nightmare to maintain such a site as to keep it accurate and up-to-date. AHJs are constantly making local amendments, and since many do not do so on a regular basis (like the 3-year code cycle), finding out such information, who to contact, verifying the accuracy of the information, etc..... would be a full-time job.
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let's hire someone!! :D
 
Dennis Alwon said:
There is this for each state

https://www.nema.org/Technical/FieldReps/Documents/NEC-Adoption-Map-PDF.pdf
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That's not totally accurate.

Michigan has separate codes for residential and commercial/industrial with references to the NEC. There is no AFCI requirement in Michigan, and no enforcement of Article 547. Properties zoned for agricultural use are exempt from any codes. The good thing is that the entire state is under the same codes. No local changes are allowed.
 
Grouch1980 said:
Hi,
Is there a website with the current NFPA editions that each city / state follows? For example, where do I find what version of NFPA 110 (year) New York City is following?

Thanks again!
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Really?

How are you related to the electrical industry?:I work as a full-time Electrical Engineer for a firm in NYC

We should be asking you!

Back on a serious note, as others have stated it would be logistically impossible to manage such a database if someone did take the time to create it.

Let's get back to your inquiry though and see if we can help you out.

I'm assuming you do electrical design for building construction. Correct?
Knowing the codes, editions, amendments, etc. in each place you are doing a project is helpful in many ways. Not knowing can be very painful in many ways.

I suggest you appoint someone in your office to be the go-to person for codes, editions and amendments. When I worked for a building dep't (now retired from) we got calls all the time from out of town firms (and even locals) verifying what codes, editions and amendments we had on the books. Today that's almost always available online. Someone (project manager at your office) is going to have to do a quick overview of the job and see what codes you need to ask about. Once he does that he can give it to the go-to person and say "In xxxville, LA we are doing a xxxx project and need to know what codes they have for xxxx,s and yyyy's. In addition to building code requirements there are requirements of other agencies such as health dep't, fire marshal, state agency for healthcare administration, bureau of prisons, environmental, etc. Yeah, I know, it can be a PITA to find out what bureaucracy you need to comply with before you even try to comply with it. Figuring all that out is part of being a "professional"!
 
mgookin said:
Really?

How are you related to the electrical industry?:I work as a full-time Electrical Engineer for a firm in NYC

We should be asking you!

Back on a serious note, as others have stated it would be logistically impossible to manage such a database if someone did take the time to create it.

Let's get back to your inquiry though and see if we can help you out.

I'm assuming you do electrical design for building construction. Correct?
Knowing the codes, editions, amendments, etc. in each place you are doing a project is helpful in many ways. Not knowing can be very painful in many ways.

I suggest you appoint someone in your office to be the go-to person for codes, editions and amendments. When I worked for a building dep't (now retired from) we got calls all the time from out of town firms (and even locals) verifying what codes, editions and amendments we had on the books. Today that's almost always available online. Someone (project manager at your office) is going to have to do a quick overview of the job and see what codes you need to ask about. Once he does that he can give it to the go-to person and say "In xxxville, LA we are doing a xxxx project and need to know what codes they have for xxxx,s and yyyy's. In addition to building code requirements there are requirements of other agencies such as health dep't, fire marshal, state agency for healthcare administration, bureau of prisons, environmental, etc. Yeah, I know, it can be a PITA to find out what bureaucracy you need to comply with before you even try to comply with it. Figuring all that out is part of being a "professional"!
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Thanks.... I'll have to research it.
 
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Dennis Alwon said:
There is this for each state

https://www.nema.org/Technical/FieldReps/Documents/NEC-Adoption-Map-PDF.pdf
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I thought I struck gold when I found a State of Illinois website that listed codes adopted by all the cities & towns in Illinois. (Notice that we are a "green" state, and we generally don't have any statewide adoption.)

But a quick check of a couple towns proved that website was terribly out of date.

And Illinois has additional layers of code requirements. We do have a State Fire Marshall's office, and a Dept. of Public Health. Both adopt versions of various codes, and those apply Statewide. So sometimes we have to meet both local and State requirements. And Public Schools have completely different requirements. And State funded projects also have different requirements. So its a real trick to figure out what applies when.

I guess its just more proof how hard it is to keep track of who adopts what, and who has jurisdiction.
 
steve66 said:
I thought I struck gold when I found a State of Illinois website that listed codes adopted by all the cities & towns in Illinois. (Notice that we are a "green" state, and we generally don't have any statewide adoption.)

But a quick check of a couple towns proved that website was terribly out of date.

And Illinois has additional layers of code requirements. We do have a State Fire Marshall's office, and a Dept. of Public Health. Both adopt versions of various codes, and those apply Statewide. So sometimes we have to meet both local and State requirements. And Public Schools have completely different requirements. And State funded projects also have different requirements. So its a real trick to figure out what applies when.

I guess its just more proof how hard it is to keep track of who adopts what, and who has jurisdiction.
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And no local permits or inspections for public schools...those are functions of the Regional Office of Education.

The craziest thing are the cities that require a test to get a license, but they don't offer a test. It is a nice money maker for our City.....Test is $100 and license a $100 per year. We have about a thousand active licenses with a population of about 18,000.
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
And no local permits or inspections for public schools...those are functions of the Regional Office of Education.

The craziest thing are the cities that require a test to get a license, but they don't offer a test. It is a nice money maker for our City.....Test is $100 and license a $100 per year. We have about a thousand active licenses with a population of about 18,000.
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Industry association should lobby the legislature for state licensing.
 
mgookin said:
Industry association should lobby the legislature for state licensing.
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It has been tried many times....not even close be being successful. I doubt it will ever happen in Illinois....to many factions that don't even talk to each other. July 1 will be the start of a second year without a budget for the state.
 
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