Oh, we forgot to mention the disposal??

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i would see if there was enough room in the conduit if there is conduit, hopefully there is, and run a extra circuit from the panel and through the same conduit as the dishwasher, and come out to a new seperate box for the disposal.
 
benaround said:
I would of given some of the money back on that one.
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He was totally good with the deal and it was worth it to him for me not to tear up the wall. Saved him from bringing in someone to patch and paint. I could have missed finding the box by an inch and would had to do it anyway. We both got lucky. I know for a fact that he was on the golf course before I got home.:smile:
 
They do that a lot here in the south. If they list the disposal it often calls for another septic tank. They wait till the last minute then add it.
 
480sparky said:
For what I bid the job for, yes. But installing the extra boxes & 14/3, no. it was a gamble on my part to do that, and it paid off, and paid off very well. In essence, I did a remodel job with the advantage of having the job open during rough-in.

The same scenario plays out every day when someone decides to finish their basement. They usually want a bathroom down there. Did anyone take the time to rough in the plumbing for it before the slab was poured?
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It was your gamble, you won. The $500 is your prize the way I see it. Homeowner saved aggravation and money also, win/win situation.
 
buckofdurham said:
Just got my news letter from MH.
Congatulations to $Electricmanscott !! This was ranked the #1 thread for 2008.
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I am working on my acceptance speech......:grin:

Only #1 for Dec not the whole year. I'm sure there is some other pointless debate that raged on a whole lot longer during the year. :wink:

How ironic, a thread about violating the code is the top NEC forum thread for the month. :rolleyes: :grin:
 
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WL LeSueur CPQ, CBCP Atlanta, GA.

WL LeSueur CPQ, CBCP Atlanta, GA.

It is important to meet code requirements if you want to maintain business creditability. This means the only solution to the problem (except using a 3 way switch) would be to install another 15 or 20 amp circuit for the Garb/Disp. Why did I mention a 20 amp circuit?
Check your voltage drop for each circuit and load. Using #14 wire and a 10 amp load, anything over about 60 feet circuit length will result in exceeding the 3% voltage drop recommended by the code for branch circuits. Combining the two will definately result in excessive voltage drops when both are running.

What to do? Simple---The requirement for a dishwasher was not on the plans and specs so it is clearly an add service or change order. To maintain creditability with the builder and client I would explain the NEC requirements and the voltage drop issues to the client in general terms. I would also explain my personal commitment to providing safe and reliable electrical systems for your clients. I would tell them only that the new circuit would require some cutting, patching and repainting that you will take care of and include that cost in your price. In this business your reputation and reasonable prices will get you more long term repeat business than the cheapest prices.

The best built custom home with substandard Elect Plumbing & HVAC systems will be remembered forever by the homeowner as well as the companies that installed them. It takes only a few dissatisfied homeowners talking to others for the word to get around in the community. All contractors like to leave their company stickers on the panels and equipment that they install. Ask yourself, do you really want to leave your sticker on their panel if the system you installed is going to cause them problems. They will never call you for any additions, just warantee repairs.
WL LeSueur CPQ, CBCP Atlanta, Ga.
 
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