Old NM cable. To replace or not to replace !

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Yeah , well,..as Scott mentioned you still won't be able to put most light fixtures on it ....I still say replace it.. :) Seriously, I don't understand why you would not want to replace an aged ,inferior product.... seems like the perfect time to do so or at least attempt to do so...
 
Yeah , well,..as Scott mentioned you still won't be able to put most light fixtures on it ....I still say replace it.. :) Seriously, I don't understand why you would not want to replace an aged ,inferior product.... seems like the perfect time to do so or at least attempt to do so...

If you test the cable and it meets acceptable standards, how can you say it it substandard.
 
It is substandard ,...If not,. why ,.then am I not allowed to use it to supply most light fixtures.
 
Yeah , well,..as Scott mentioned you still won't be able to put most light fixtures on it ....I still say replace it.. :) Seriously, I don't understand why you would not want to replace an aged ,inferior product.... seems like the perfect time to do so or at least attempt to do so...

The biggest problem will be finding any enforcable code or law that will require you to replace the wiring, unless there is an out right safety problem, like the house was flooded, I would find it very hard to upsell a total re-wire to a home owner just getting by, and you must present this to the home owner as such, other wise it would be a fraud. Putting a 90? rated fixture in a existing home, would seem to be protected by grandfather laws, not enough has changed in fixture design that makes them more dangerous then what used to be installed, and for that fact there even better, you could pig tail 90? wire onto the old wire to be compliant, or just change the portion of the circuit betwen the switch and outlet, but to wire a whole house, would be a cost most home owners would have a hard time endureing.

Since most newer fixtures will be going to the much cooler CFL's and LED's type lamps, the requirments will or should also go down, the nec is kind of mute on this except for ballasted fixtures where the wires will be within 3" of the ballast (410.33) and the only other requirment as far as the NEC goes is (410.35(A) which requires manufactures who require a higher ratting then 60?C ratting on the branch circuit conductors has to mark the fixture.

there is allot of changes that make some of the older wiring just as safe as todays newer wiring, why is this taking place? well for one to save on green house gases, but it is also taking place because of grandfather laws keeping us from having to bring everything up to todays codes and standards.

For me to go into and try to sell a owner of a house on a total wiring change out, I better have a valid reason for doing so, or I should be held for fraud.

Just think re-wireing every circuit in a typical house avoiding as much disturbing of any surfaces as you can, can cost the home owner as much as $10k-$20k if you think about all the labor.

But just changing out the conductors that are needed can cost under $5k so which do you think they will go for, and which do you think you will provide more safer houses by being able to do more of the jobs? I would pefer to make more houses safer by doing more houses at a much lower cost, then try to make a quick fortune off only one house, which wouldn't be quick anyways lol
 
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It is substandard ,...If not,. why ,.then am I not allowed to use it to supply most light fixtures.

It's not the wiring that is substandard, it is the light fixtures and to a large extent the dopes who re-lamp them outside of their ratings.

Has NOTHING to do with the quality of the wire.

If you want to go thru all that work though knock yourself out. :grin:

Like I posted before my apt is wired with old NM cable and I don't give it a second thought at all. Only thing it's lacking is grounds...when I upgraded my panel I ran new runs to the critical areas (kitchen, bath, my A/V rack.)
 
It is substandard ,...If not,. why ,.then am I not allowed to use it to supply most light fixtures.

there is nothing preventing it for other uses - why not replace the runs to light fixtures where necessary.

...could pig tail 90? wire onto the old wire to be compliant...

what about the heat that is still applied to the other 60 degree conductors in the outlet box? isn't that what the whole issue of 90 degree conductors in lighting outlets about?


...Just think re-wireing every circuit in a typical house avoiding as much disturbing of any surfaces as you can, can cost the home owner as much as $10k-$20k if you think about all the labor.

But just changing out the conductors that are needed can cost under $5k...


A 1970's mobile home is not worth $5K. Rewiring one may increase its value many times, but you still have one that has little resale value.
 
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I have never said that it should be required. NM cable is required to have a 90c rated insulation by todays standard The O.P. asked for opinions and mine is I'd change it out I then backed up my opinion with links and other opinions and here is one more ,.. it seems that it is quite easy to exceed even a 90c rating
http://www.iaei.org/magazine/?p=2719
 
And one more thing,.the few mobile homes I've worked on from that era displayed some real crappy workmanship and the devices were not of very high quality ..so yes,. if asked ,..my opinion is to change it out ,.just like all the othe crap he is getting rid of and improving .
 
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