Old Work Box-Screw Mount

[Sierrasparky]

If anybody tells you they've never done that then they are lying.

Never, never never....





I hate carlon blue but they are the best for that.
But what would I know. I never used one for that!





2 to go, almost there!

 

[quogueelectric]

I was working for multiple cotractors a few yrs ago Both had taken over large houses and each needed a few days help to finish.
One had me taking all of the nailons off and replacing with smartboxes the other had me removing smartboxes and replacing with nailons because he had been tagged for putting drywall screws through a nailon to the stud.
It was insane and the guy let me take all of the old smartboxes home .
Inspectors by me will not let a nailon box be screwed to the stud ,It does not fly here.

 

[LarryFine]

I hate carlon blue but they are the best for that.
But what would I know. I never used one for that!

Well, the next time you don't do that, here's a tip you shouldn't follow:

Since it's not always easy to get the screw started from inside the box, first start the screw from the outside, and at the same angle you want the screw to be so you can still keep the driver in line with it.

But, again, you wouldn't do that. As a lazy person, and one who doesn't bend easily (hip), I like doing as much as I can standing, and as little as possible when bent, squatting, kneeling, etc., especially two-handed stuff.

Added: For exanple, when feeding two NM's into receptacle boxes, I strip and hook the CCC's, put the sheath-stripped conductors together with like colors together, mildly twist the EGC's together and shorten one for the greenie.

Then I insert them into the box through a single KO, put on the greenie, hook the long EGC, and fold the wires neatly for device installation. By doing it this way, I spend as little time as possible bent over, including at trim.

It does not fly here.

Translation: "Homey don't play that!"

 

[quogueelectric]

Well, the next time you don't do that, here's a tip you shouldn't follow:

Since it's not always easy to get the screw started from inside the box, first start the screw from the outside, and at the same angle you want the screw to be so you can still keep the driver in line with it.

But, again, you wouldn't do that. As a lazy person, and one who doesn't bend easily (hip), I like doing as much as I can standing, and as little as possible when bent, squatting, kneeling, etc., especially two-handed stuff.

Added: For exanple, when feeding two NM's into receptacle boxes, I strip and hook the CCC's, put the sheath-stripped conductors together with like colors together, mildly twist the EGC's together and shorten one for the greenie.

Then I insert them into the box through a single KO, put on the greenie, hook the long EGC, and fold the wires neatly for device installation. By doing it this way, I spend as little time as possible bent over, including at trim.



Translation: "Homey don't play that!"

Learn from the old beat up guys like myself I will find the fastest easiest way to perform any task. Usually the easiest way is to ask the foreman exactly what do you want me to do. Without being disrespectfull of course.

 

[220/221]

Am I the only one here who has used a nail-on and cut off the nails and screwed through the side?

Of course it's much easier and more secure to install the screws closer to the front of the box but, since this is the NEC forum, this is a code compliant picture......except there are no cable clamps on the box


I cut off the nail tabs and screw boxes to studs every day. It's a far superior installation when compared to a cut in box held to the drywall by plastic tabs.

 

[PetrosA]

Honestly, I don't like running drywall screws through the side of a nail-on. I DO wish some company would make one that looks like a nail-on but with 3 1/2" screws instead, since they would come in handy when you have to get them in between close studs. In the meantime, I second the vote for the AlliedMoulded boxes. The only issue I've had with them is the cable clamps. They're designed in such a way that it's difficult to get a wire into a mounted box if there's wall behind it (ex. exterior wall).

Speaking of altering plastic boxes, what would be your opinions on drilling a 1/2" KO in one and using either a plastic bushing connector or a romex/MC connector in one? We do it all the time with PVC boxes, right?

 

[Conduit Phil]

Of course it's much easier and more secure to install the screws closer to the front of the box but, since this is the NEC forum, this is a code compliant picture......except there are no cable clamps on the box


I cut off the nail tabs and screw boxes to studs every day. It's a far superior installation when compared to a cut in box held to the drywall by plastic tabs.

UL listing voided and all that.

 

[electricmanscott]

I DO wish some company would make one that looks like a nail-on but with 3 1/2" screws instead, since they would come in handy when you have to get them in between close studs.

I would have wished for something better but it wasn't my wish to make. :grin:

http://www.passandseymour.com/productcatalog/product.cfm?s=785&mkt=4

This box is a better option when you have no room to nail a box up.

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

I would have wished for something better but it wasn't my wish to make. :grin:

http://www.passandseymour.com/productcatalog/product.cfm?s=785&mkt=4

This box is a better option when you have no room to nail a box up.

EXACTLY
As I mentioned earlier, there are many different configurations of boxes from different manufacturers to help with just about any situation one may encounter.

Proper preparation prevents piss poor performance

 

[cowboyjwc]

IAEI magazine has an ad for ones from Allied. They called Sliderbox, it's made more for getting the box flush with the finished surface, but looks like it could be uses as a cut in box if you're next to a stud.