Oops...EMT offset on service

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luke.
for one, I do try to inspect for code compliance, not for what I want to see or what pleases me. I pass things routinely that I don't care for, but I recognize as code compliant.

and we live & learn.
I had no idea an Arlington offset nipple had a low AIC rating...bet all SF insp. aren't aware (will be now)...

sav8...any possiblity he would accept a bonding jumper around the nipple?
 
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Luke, you are living and working in a real sad state of affairs. What a shame.
I wire to code and more if necessary. I will and have gone over inspectors heads when needed. They are not above you or I as people in that we all make mistakes. Some may even hold a grudge. Oh well. I will not be a doormat for some hardass inspector who likes to stroke his ego at my expense. Not happening. The rules are the rules. They are printed for me just as they are for the inspector. That's what I answer to.

[ November 06, 2005, 10:38 PM: Message edited by: electricmanscott ]
 
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sfav8r-

One more thing that you might want to know about the SF condo conversion laws. I am assuming that you are working on a four unit building that is being renovated for a TIC purpose as condo insurance is unaffordable unless you are covered under OSIP. Just a FYI about future condo conversion requirements in San Francisco. The future owners will not be able to condo convert when they win the lottery without a house meter. So if you installed a four meter service main in a four unit building like you said you did, the future owners will have to upgrade the service to be able to condo convert. Yes even if there is not a garage or community common space. The city of San Francisco will require it for future use. I just wanted to mention it in case you end up with a ticked off developer when he tries to sell the place.
 
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Originally posted by luke.stickney:
Fair enough. But you obviously don't own a company, you work for one.
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Actually I think Scott has been running his own business for about 10 years. :cool:
 
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Originally posted by luke.stickney:
Just try to start arguing with an inspector and see where it gets you. Failing all your inspections! My point is, that it is better to make them happy then to piss them off arguing about how little about the code they actually know.
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Actually, I argue (I prefer discuss) code on a regular basis with the inspectors in my area. Some even come to this site (I wish more did).

We never scream, we never yell, sometimes they're wrong, sometimes I am. In the end everyone benefits from the discussion. I've conceded roughly two items I didn't agree with, but I can live with because they don't cost me any time.

SF's a weird place, so most of us can commiserate with your position. I'm just glad I'm not there. :)
 
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Originally posted by sfav8r:
Well, its like this. The final verdict is that the Arlington 6A5 has an AIC rating of 3000 and San Francisco requires an AIC rating of 10,000 on all conduit and fittings prior to a disconnect.
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This is new to me.

What functional purpose does this serve?

I can understand breakers being sized appropriately for AIC, but what purpose does it serve for the conduit and fittings? :confused:
 
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I just read this thread, and I am not surprised by any of what has been discussed.
For those who can read between the lines, there is an underlying process here that should be paid attention to.

No matter where you work, the first thing you need to do is get hold of the local amendments to the code(s), so something like this does not happen. If you do not for whatever reason, and you fail a local code, well....

It is not easy, but what can one say.

BTW-I am amazed every day by such things as fittings and AIC ratings - never even thought of it, as EMT and fittings are permitted in the NEC.
I wonder what happened in San Fran to make them look into this?????
 
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Luke, for the record I am a sole proprietor and have been for 11 years now. The way you run your business is your perogative and I am fine with that. My problem here is when you have to worry about what an inspector wants vs what is actually legal or not. Seems like it would be a tough way to operate.
Here in MA we have state amendments to the NEC that are in effect in all areas of the state. We are all on the same playing field. The inspectors are bound to follow and enforce these rules just as we worker bees are bound to obey them.
I do not make a habit or enjoy "Fighting" (too strong of a word for this case) with inspectors. Plainly speaking it sucks. But when it has to be done I do it. Many times I will start here at this site for opinions. I like to go into battle armed with all the ammo I might need.
Fortunately the days of the good old boys saying this is how I want it in my town are mostly gone here.
 
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Originally posted by augie47:
sav8...any possiblity he would accept a bonding jumper around the nipple?
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Most excellent idea! If the concern is fault-current capacity, and not physical strength, bypassing the nipple with a properly-sized bond should suffice.
 
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