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[ty]

a few weeks ago, had an inspector tell me that if there is a sink next to the washing machine, the washer receptacle needs to be a single receptacle or GFCI protected.
When asked to cite the article, he stated "that's My interpretation"

 

[bobserrano]

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Is the washer and laundry sink in the garage?

 

[Guest]

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Or, maybe in an unfinished basement, kitchen, bathroom, in a crawl space, near a pool, on the roof, or outside?

Also, ask the AHJ for the specific citation that s/he is interpreting.

 

[charlie b]

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OK, I?ll admit that my glasses are old enough to require replacement, and that I am probably not reading something correctly here. But I looked through 210.8, and even did a word search for the word ?sink.? I could not find any requirement for a receptacle outlet near a sink to be GFCI protected. I thought that it was common knowledge that you needed GFCI within 6 feet of a sink. But I can?t find it. 210.8(A)(7) talks about ?wet bar sinks,? but not about laundry tubs. What am I missing here?

 

[bill addiss]

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I thought that it was common knowledge that you needed GFCI within 6 feet of a sink

Charlie,

The code used to read this way for Receptacles near Kitchen Sinks, but that was changed to include all countertop Receptacles in the '96 NEC I think. This is still in effect for wet bar sinks, but I don't know of any mention of other sinks.

Bill

[ October 23, 2003, 12:40 PM: Message edited by: bill addiss ]

 

[steve66]

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Charlie:

I think it is good practice to use a GFCI near a sink, but I don't think it is a code requirement unless you are in a bathroom, kitchen, or unfinished basement, etc.

Notice the definition of bathroom requires one sink (basin) and a toilet, tub, or shower.

I did a code review for a hair salon once, and could not even find anything to require a GFCI at a station for hair washing.

Steve

 

[charlie b]

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I infer, therefore, that there is no requirement for the washer's receptacle outlet to be GFCI-protected, even if it is a duplex receptacle. I agree that it would be a good practice, but that is not a basis upon which the Inspector can cite a violation.

 

[bill addiss]

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Steve,

I agree it's a good practice to have GFCI protection in many areas that aren't code-mandated.

You won't find a requirement for GFCI protection near a sink in a Pre-School Classroom either.

Bill

 

[bill addiss]

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I infer, therefore, that there is no requirement for the washer's receptacle outlet to be GFCI-protected, even if it is a duplex receptacle.

If it's in an area that would normally require GFCI protection such as a Basement I think either a Single or a GFCI Receptacle would be required.

Bill

 

[ryan_618]

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I think the strangest omission from 210.8 would be exterior receptacles in other than dwelling units, excluding those on rooftops.

I believe this is likely to change in the 2005 NEC, however.

 

[charlie b]

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Originally posted by bill addiss:If it's in an area that would normally require GFCI protection such as a Basement I think either a Single or a GFCI Receptacle would be required.

Good point! And that brings an interesting twist into the story. Basements do not require GFCI, but ?unfinished basements? do. But look at 210.8(A)(5): ?. . . for purposes of this section, unfinished basements are defined as portions or areas of the basement not intended as habitable rooms and limited to storage areas, work areas, and the like.? Does this statement require that all receptacles in the entire laundry room have GFCI? Is the laundry room not a ?work area,? even if it is in an otherwise fully finished basement? Does the phrase ?intended as habitable rooms? mean that the room must contain a bed or a chair? If you put a TV stand and a chair into the laundry area, so that you could watch TV while folding clothes, does this cause the laundry room to become ?habitable,? and therefore not require GFCI? The plot sickens (I mean thickens ).

 

[bill addiss]

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Charlie,

I meant unfinished Basement. (tough crowd here

Bill

 

[Guest]

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Regarding GFCI for laundry in unfinished basements check out 210.8(A)(5)

Exception No. 2: A single receptacle or a duplex receptacle for two appliances located within dedicated space for each appliance that, in normal use, is not easily moved from one place to another and that is cord-and-plug connected in accordance with 400.7(A)(6), (A)(7), or (A)(8).

I would infer that the washer & dryer receptacle (laundry) does not have to be on GFCI in unfinished basement.

../Wayne C.

[ October 23, 2003, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: awwt ]

 

[bill addiss]

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I would infer that the washer & dryer receptacle (laundry) does not have to be on GFCI in unfinished basement.

Where is a Dryer mentioned in any posts above??
The discussion as I understand it is about a single/duplex/GFCI outlet for a Washer.

[ October 23, 2003, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: bill addiss ]

 

[Guest]

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The original question is about washer receptacle & GFCI near sink.

Unfinished basements & GFCI's got mentioned.

The exception I cited mentions two appliances. To keep my answer on topic I used washer & dryer as illustrative examples of the two appliances that could be plugged into the non-GFCI receptacle. This assumes a 120v dryer or a gas dryer. The exception does not specify the appliances, only that they cannot be easily moved. Washer & dryer fit that bill I believe.

Is that what you were getting at?

 

[bill addiss]

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The information you just posted does not apply to the question as asked or the situation most recently being discussed. It's not even consistant with the question you asked yourself in post #3 above:

Or, maybe in an unfinished basement, kitchen, bathroom, ...

Your own question would have no relevance if you really thought there was a Dryer there.

 

[Guest]

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Charlie B brought up the GFCI required in unfinished basement aspect.

I agree that this topic has strayed somewhat, but I don't think my answers are off the mark if read in their original context.

Keep in mind that this thread has been edited so at this point I really can't easily tell what portions of the thread existed at the time I posted my answers.

My answers either apply to the OP, or they apply to other follow-up answers (that may now be edited).

I'm also thinking we should table this question until the OP lets us know exactly where the receptacle lives. Right now we are speculating.

[ October 23, 2003, 10:31 PM: Message edited by: awwt ]

 

[roger]

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Dancing?

Roger

 

[bill addiss]

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Keep in mind that this thread has been edited so at this point I really can't easily tell what portions of the thread existed at the time I posted my answers.

Not that it makes a difference here, but there is a date and time shown when an edit is made that would show if someone changed something after you made a post.

 

[bill addiss]

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My answers either apply to the OP, or they apply to other follow-up answers (that may now be edited).

Looking back at the first page it seems we are the only 2 that had any edits in this thread.

Are you saying I changed something??

Or were you referring to your own posts??