ryan_618
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jim dungar said:
Yes, I ws getting ready to post the same thing. NRTL status has nothing to do with anything as far as the NEC goes.
Other than UL acceptance by local AHJ
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Yes, I ws getting ready to post the same thing. NRTL status has nothing to do with anything as far as the NEC goes.
LJSMITH1
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True, it is an OSHA term. However, from what I understand, the NFPA and most state jurisdictions recognize OSHA as a guide for this kind of thing.
Maybe I am wrong in my understanding?
If OSHA is not an 'approved' guide, then what's to stop an AHJ from insisting on some obscure testing lab not on the NRTL list? (i.e. not UL). Technically, they would be able to disapprove UL, ETL, or whatever other NRTL that is out there. The whole purpose of NRTL's are to provide certified third-party verifications and certifications that products meet industry-recognized specifications.
I think this whole issue is just making a mountain out of a molehill....
Maybe I am wrong in my understanding?
If OSHA is not an 'approved' guide, then what's to stop an AHJ from insisting on some obscure testing lab not on the NRTL list? (i.e. not UL). Technically, they would be able to disapprove UL, ETL, or whatever other NRTL that is out there. The whole purpose of NRTL's are to provide certified third-party verifications and certifications that products meet industry-recognized specifications.
I think this whole issue is just making a mountain out of a molehill....
joe tedesco
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CT rules
CT rules
http://www.osha.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/index.html
Look here for CT interpretations:
http://www.ct.gov/dps/cwp/view.asp?a=2148&q=294190&pp=12&n=1 :smile:
CT rules
http://www.osha.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/index.html
Look here for CT interpretations:
http://www.ct.gov/dps/cwp/view.asp?a=2148&q=294190&pp=12&n=1 :smile:
Inspectorcliff
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Field Testing
Field Testing
www.ul.com/regulators/field.html could shed some light on the subject. Page xxxvii in the 2006 UL white book. Field Modifications
Field Testing
www.ul.com/regulators/field.html could shed some light on the subject. Page xxxvii in the 2006 UL white book. Field Modifications
LJSMITH1
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That UL link is not working, but thanks anyway!:smile: My issue relates directly to listing product prior to sale and not with field inspections. This issue is also national and with every jurisdiction, not CT specifically.
IMHO, I think there should be some unified effort put forth by other NRTL's like ETL, CSA, etc. to 'educate' those in our industry that they can perform the same (if certified to do so), exact testing and certification that UL can provide.
I know of a few manufacturers, who have customers, which are under the impression that UL is the only game in town when it comes to independent, third-party, testing and certification. While those of us in the 'know' understand that this is not true, the end customer (user, contractor, inspector) must also have the same understanding.
Thank you to everyone for your responses.:smile:
-Larry
IMHO, I think there should be some unified effort put forth by other NRTL's like ETL, CSA, etc. to 'educate' those in our industry that they can perform the same (if certified to do so), exact testing and certification that UL can provide.
I know of a few manufacturers, who have customers, which are under the impression that UL is the only game in town when it comes to independent, third-party, testing and certification. While those of us in the 'know' understand that this is not true, the end customer (user, contractor, inspector) must also have the same understanding.
Thank you to everyone for your responses.:smile:
-Larry
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