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We do a lot of houses built on stilts, at least 10 feet from grade to the bottom of house framing,usually higher than that.
These residences seem not to come under 210.52-(E) because they are not at grade level.
Any time there are front and/or back porches/balconies on theses places we put a receptacle on it, but I would like to know if it is required by code for sure.

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The receptacles are required within 6.5' of grade level even if you had to climb 50 steps to get into the front or the back of the house. 210.52(E) states:

210.52(E) Outdoor Outlets. For a one-family dwelling and each unit of a two-family dwelling that is at grade level, at least one receptacle outlet accessible at grade level and not more than 2.0 m (6? ft) above grade shall be installed at the front and back of the dwelling.
For each dwelling unit of a multifamily dwelling where the dwelling unit is located at grade level and provided with individual exterior entrance/egress, at least one receptacle outlet accessible from grade level and not more than 2.0 m (6? ft) above grade shall be installed. See 210.8(A)(3)
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Stop at the the words "for a one-family dwelling", the second part of the sentence regarding at "grade level" pertains to units of a two family dwelling.
 
Thanks,

I see now I was reading it wrong.

Also we do a lot of two family dwellings (side by side duplexes) that are on stilts also. Neither of these units are at grade level.
How do I read the code to require the receptacles in these circumstances (two family dwelling as described above)?
 
monsteriname said:
Thanks,

I see now I was reading it wrong.

Also we do a lot of two family dwellings (side by side duplexes) that are on stilts also. Neither of these units are at grade level.
How do I read the code to require the receptacles in these circumstances (two family dwelling as described above)?
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A two family dwelling that was up and down, meaning one unit at grade level and one on top of it, would require one receptacle at the front and back. For a two family dwelling where the units are side by side each unit would need a receptacle at the front and back.
 
Thanks again,

It was the "at grade level" that was throwing me about duplexes. I would not have been confused if it had said something more like "each unit of a two family dwelling that is not above another unit of that dwelling" or some such.
 
monsteriname said:
Thanks again,

It was the "at grade level" that was throwing me about duplexes. I would not have been confused if it had said something more like "each unit of a two family dwelling that is not above another unit of that dwelling" or some such.
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You're welcome. Welcome to the world of the NEC.
 
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210.52(E) Outdoor Outlets. For a one-family dwelling and each unit of a two-family dwelling that is at grade level, at least one receptacle outlet accessible at grade level and not more than 2.0 m (6? ft) above grade shall be installed at the front and back of the dwelling.
For each dwelling unit of a multifamily dwelling where the dwelling unit is located at grade level and provided with individual exterior entrance/egress, at least one receptacle outlet accessible from grade level and not more than 2.0 m (6? ft) above grade shall be installed. See 210.8(A)(3)
Trevor, I'm glad you cleared things up for him. Now will you tell me which unit he is describing is at grade level? Side by side duplex 10' or more above grade doesn't look to me like they are required. I also think this would hold true for a single family dwelling.
 
dlhoule said:
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210.52(E) Outdoor Outlets. For a one-family dwelling and each unit of a two-family dwelling that is at grade level, at least one receptacle outlet accessible at grade level and not more than 2.0 m (6? ft) above grade shall be installed at the front and back of the dwelling.
For each dwelling unit of a multifamily dwelling where the dwelling unit is located at grade level and provided with individual exterior entrance/egress, at least one receptacle outlet accessible from grade level and not more than 2.0 m (6? ft) above grade shall be installed. See 210.8(A)(3)
Trevor, I'm glad you cleared things up for him. Now will you tell me which unit he is describing is at grade level? Side by side duplex 10' or more above grade doesn't look to me like they are required. I also think this would hold true for a single family dwelling.
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Larry the sentence is written in two parts. The first part "a one family dwelling" stop right there. A one family dwelling with 100 steps up to the front door requires a GFCI receptacle at the front and the back within 6.5' of grade. A two family dwelling would require 2 receptacles if both units were at grade level, like them being side by side units. One up and one down, only the lower unit requires the GFCI receptacles.
 
A two family dwelling would require 2 receptacles if both units were at grade level, like them being side by side units.
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Am I understanding correctly? If you have one unit on top (ie. 10' above grade) It does not require the receptacles, but if you have side by side units 10' above grade; they are both required to have receptacles. This does not make any sense to me. I need more enlightenment.
 
The stilt home situation brings me to another situation.Flood planes,here they build in different flood planes.Each have thier own height in which electrical installations can be done.An A zone is usually around 14 ft. above flood plane.That puts all but 1 switch,1 receptacle(GFCI) below that measurement.So if 1 recep. is allowed below how can we provide 1 in front and 1 in back and still be code compliant.The AHJ will allow the meter to be within this flood plane but the disc. must be above the measurement for that applicable flood plane.
I`ve never argued the point but just was wanting to know what others think.
 
We are NOT allowed to install any electrical equipment below the bench marker of a flood plain. This includes receptacle outlets.

Outside A/C units have to be installed on elevated platforms to be in compliance with this requirement, as well as their corresponding convenience outlet within the required 25 feet.

One jurisdiction here -- Chincoteauge Island -- (yes, the same place where Misty and the other ponies came from) won't even allow the meter box to be installed below the flood plain (yes, we found out the hard way, and had to raise one up at our expense). If that means the meter box gets mounted too high off the ground to reach, then you have to build a platform for access to that as well.
 
It's all in the "and"

It's all in the "and"

210.52(E) Outdoor Outlets. For a one-family dwelling and each unit of a two-family dwelling that is at grade level, at least one receptacle outlet accessible at grade level and not more than 2.0 m (6? ft) above grade shall be installed at the front and back of the dwelling.
For each dwelling unit of a multifamily dwelling where the dwelling unit is located at grade level and provided with individual exterior entrance/egress, at least one receptacle outlet accessible from grade level and not more than 2.0 m (6? ft) above grade shall be installed. See 210.8(A)(3)
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This is where I have to chime in and disagree with the responses so far. :)

The fact that the word and is in this article means that BOTH types of dwellings are assumed to be at grade level.

Now, if that and was replaced with the word OR, then the position of those who say that it is two separate conditions being referenced would be correct.

The other key point is the phrase "at grade level". A house built on stilts is NOT "at grade level"!

A prime example of how the CMP's can make a simple answer clear as mud. :)
 
mxslick said:
This is where I have to chime in and disagree with the responses so far. :)

The fact that the word and is in this article means that BOTH types of dwellings are assumed to be at grade level.

Now, if that and was replaced with the word OR, then the position of those who say that it is two separate conditions being referenced would be correct.

The other key point is the phrase "at grade level". A house built on stilts is NOT "at grade level"!

A prime example of how the CMP's can make a simple answer clear as mud. :)
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I disagree.
The way that I read it is ANY one family dwelling AND the ground floor unit(s) of any two family dwelling shall have the receptacles.
steve
 
hillbilly said:
I disagree.
The way that I read it is ANY one family dwelling AND the ground floor unit(s) of any two family dwelling shall have the receptacles.
steve
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I'm with you Steve.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
What is at ground level ? Not a stilt house.So if i have a stilt house then it is above ground level.Now this article number does not apply to the stilt home.
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To me, unless you fly into and out of it with a helicopter it's ground level. Do the stairs originate on the ground and continue up to the entrance?
 
infinity said:
To me, unless you fly into and out of it with a helicopter it's ground level. Do the stairs originate on the ground and continue up to the entrance?
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I hardly think thats what they mean by grade level.I will say that having built and lived in one for several years that you will want and need some outlets under it.But once again we are stuck with the words they used.The stilts are simply a foundation and amounts to a very high crawl space.
 
Of course anyone would want receptacles under thier house in this circumstance. I just want to know if I am telling the customers the truth when I tell them it is required in these circumstances.

For example, if these receptacles are not shown on the Prints (about 1/2 the time they are not), but I install them anyway as part of what I call an "up to code" installation. The customer could balk and refuse to pay for those receptacles and wiring if it turns out it is not required by code.
 
monsteriname said:
Of course anyone would want receptacles under thier house in this circumstance. I just want to know if I am telling the customers the truth when I tell them it is required in these circumstances.

For example, if these receptacles are not shown on the Prints (about 1/2 the time they are not), but I install them anyway as part of what I call an "up to code" installation. The customer could balk and refuse to pay for those receptacles and wiring if it turns out it is not required by code.
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I think they are not required
210.52(E) Outdoor Outlets. For a one-family dwelling and each unit of a two-family dwelling that is at grade level,------------------
Why did they say at grade level if it meant all of them ? It singled them out as being the ones AT GRADE LEVEL.
I would not put them in unless taged for it and he better back it up with a code and 210.52 e wont be it.
 
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