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How many people think that you need to follow the 12 foot 6 foot rule on outlet placement in a 3 season room. With or withuot heat.
People till me that it is not a habitable room and it does not require them 6 foot and 12 foot.
Where does it say in the NEC that you only need to put outlets in habitable rooms.
 
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In my opinion, a "three-season room" qualifies under the general provisions stated in 210.52(A). It could qualify under "sunroom" and "similar room or area".

The building official can give you a more definite answer. Each loacl jurisdiction has their own interpretation as to what areas require receptacle spacing.
 
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I am as sincere as I can be with my next statement so who ever feel free to stomp me as hard as you can.
I believe that if it has a wall and is in a dwelling unit no matter what it is being used for except for clothes closet it needs a receptacle as outlined in 210.52.
As has been outlined in this forum, foyers and laundry rooms are sometimes brought into question as to the need of receptacles.
I also think it should be mandated that a receptacle be installed with in the first foot of a door that enters any room except closets. :eek:

The greatest article ever adopted to the code was 210.60 (B) and I will be submitting a proposal to have like wording in 210.52
 
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Under Art.210.52(A) Is this area going to be used for any of these listings? To have the number required receptacles is to keep from having extension cords ran all over to provide power for appliances that may need to be plugged in ie. TV's,Fans,lamps, etc........
 
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If it can be considered living space than spacing applies.The NEC doesn`t differentiate a summer room from a winter room if habitable well then spacing comes into play
 
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Originally posted by jwelectric:
I also think it should be mandated that a receptacle be installed with in the first foot of a door that enters any room except closets.
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What does that accomplish? I am picturing 300 scenarios where it would never be used... :)


The greatest article ever adopted to the code was 210.60 (B) and I will be submitting a proposal to have like wording in 210.52
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That codes fairly long. Which part tickles you so? :)

If it's the bed part, I'd beg to question the effectiveness of this code, when furnishings are not often spec'd or present at any inspection in a dwelling unit.
 
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Water beds I've seen (few) have a solid headboard that's massive. You'd have to put all the outlets in the room at 5', wouldn't you? :roll:
 
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Explain that to the homeowner who wonders why all the outlets in the bedroom are like that. :roll:

Show me a set of residential plans with the exact model of bed specified. Show me a body count. I'll retract my position. :roll:
 
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Lets say there are no specified device heights on a plan and the home is wired with all receptacles at 5 ft aff but meet spacing as set forth in 210.52,imagine the look on the h/o`s face :eek:
 
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[That codes fairly long. Which part tickles you so? :)

If it's the bed part, I'd beg to question the effectiveness of this code, when furnishings are not often spec'd or present at any inspection in a dwelling unit. [/QB][/QUOTE]

210.60 (B) At least two receptacle outlets shall be readily accessible.

We bought our house in ?95, it was built in ?65. We added our bedroom I was sure to install a duplex under the switches next to the door and also made sure that there was one just out of each corner. Now the wife moves the bed about three times a week trying to hide the rec. so I will have to crawl under the bed to plug in the alarm clock. She can?t do it and no matter how she arranges the room I have a rec. to plug the vacuum and she is happy cause I keep the floor clean like she told me to.

[ March 12, 2005, 09:51 AM: Message edited by: jwelectric ]
 
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JW, with all due respect, I fail to see a compelling safety issue at work here. Introducing a code of this effect may serve to only add confusion and length to a chapter in need of clarity and trimming. IMO. ;)
 
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Originally posted by jwelectric:
I believe that if it has a wall and is in a dwelling unit no matter what it is being used for except for clothes closet it needs a receptacle as outlined in 210.52.
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How about an indoor pool.
 
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To me receptacle spacing has become a really stupid issue.There is no clarification in the nec that actually defines usable wall space,Once they added in 02 simular area that gave the inspectors free reign to enforce spacing as they like :D To place a piece of furniture on that wall would create a trip hazzard :mad: 32 years later and I am no closer to understanding the requirements than I was 32 years ago.Just when you think you have it down patt,here comes the changes.Look at switches first no ground required,then required, then not,now required.
Also 6 ft sink rule again required then not now again required :mad:
Grounding is another one,1 ground rod or 2,uffer steel exposed or encased in concrete.If encased one area requires just CU go across the street have to add a ground rod.Go into city jurisdiction they require 2 ground rods and a footer tag.
Now one area requires that if a home has a side entrance as main point of entry there has to be a WP recep. within 3 ft of the furthest point foward.Doesn`t matter when permit is pulled retro for final :eek:
 
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Originally posted by allenwayne:
There is no clarification in the nec that actually defines usable wall space,Once they added in 02 simular area that gave the inspectors free reign to enforce spacing as they like :D

But when there is a wall 24 1/2 ins. as you enter the kitchen with a 4 gang,must have a receptacle :D To place a piece of furniture on that wall would create a trip hazzard :eek:
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And if we had a better definition of hallway, that would go away.

One of these requirements last year almost killed a 3 year old girl.
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Can you elaborate?

Grounding is another one,1 ground rod or 2,uffer steel exposed or encased in concrete.If encased one area requires just CU go across the street have to add a ground rod.Go into city jurisdiction they require 2 ground rods and a footer tag.
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Are there local amendments, or are they "saying it's code?"

[ March 22, 2005, 07:20 AM: Message edited by: georgestolz ]
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