Outside bar/kitchen

[rc/retired]

I'm sure there is an Inspector out there somewhere that would call me out on it, making me spend hours finding the 4th note of some exception.

Won't be me since you're out of my jurisdiction and I'm retired.

 

[kwired]

In California AFCI are necessary only in area's were people normally or occasionally sleep, no garages, kitchens, bathrooms, laundry areas etc .. although I'm sure there is an Inspector out there somewhere that would call me out on it, making me spend hours finding the 4th note of some exception.

First AFCI requirements in NEC were only for bedrooms, possibly makes some sense but then they still don't detect, IMO, one of the most critical things that can start a fire - the "glowing connection".

 

[Another C10]

one of the most critical things that can start a fire - the "glowing connection".

I agree there are many dangers involving the electrical system, but there are many safeguards already in place like insulative wire nuts as seen in my avatar that merely melt not catch fire, same as box enclosures as long as there are no openings allowing for air intake for the spark to flame.
I'm all for technology and being safe but our industry just seems to keep out doing itself in making the fool proof electrical installation.

Sometimes I think there are all these brilliant electrical minds creating these up dates to the NEC, challenging each other with the what ifs while continually trying to out do the others with over thinking the many concepts and scenarios that may, could or possibly happen.

I think the best safety invention was the thermal circuit breaker.

 

[kwired]

I agree there are many dangers involving the electrical system, but there are many safeguards already in place like insulative wire nuts as seen in my avatar that merely melt not catch fire, same as box enclosures as long as there are no openings allowing for air intake for the spark to flame.
I'm all for technology and being safe but our industry just seems to keep out doing itself in making the fool proof electrical installation.

Sometimes I think there are all these brilliant electrical minds creating these up dates to the NEC, challenging each other with the what ifs while continually trying to out do the others with over thinking the many concepts and scenarios that may, could or possibly happen.

I think the best safety invention was the thermal circuit breaker.

A lot of plastics used for electrical products will melt instead of burn, most cases. They all will burn at some point though.

Things that end up in close contact however may still be combustible. Even a plastic box/enclosure can over time accumulate dust, lint, etc. and is potential fire starter should something inside get hot enough.