Outside receptacles on ground fault breaker? What circuits on arc-faults?

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The GC of a project I have seems to be under the impression that some towns in MA don't want you to use a GFCI breaker for the outside receptacles. They would rather you use a GFCI device. Have any of you in MA heard of that? The town in question is Lexington.

Also it's my understanding that all circuits are to be on arc-faults except certain things. What are those things:

Boiler/airhandler?
Stove?
Dryer?
Dishwasher?
Disposal?
Refrigerator?
A/C condenser?

Am I missing anything here?

Thanks
 
If it seems I was being rude it was only because it will be much easier for you to read 210.12 then for me to try to type it out.

210.12 will answer all your questions.
 
iwire said:
210.12 will answer all your questions.
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No it won't. It will only answer the second half. :D

As to the first half, all that is required by 210.8 is that the outlets have GFCI protection. It does not say the GFCI device must be (or must not be) part of a breaker, as opposed to being built into a receptacle. So if the local authorities are insisting on GFCI receptacles, and not GFCI breakers, then they are not using the NEC by itself as the basis of that requirement. As to whether there is a local code that imposes that requirement, you may have to ask them (unless, by chance, there is a resident of Lexington logged on to this forum?).

I'll give you a hint regarding your second question. The AFCI rule speaks of rooms, not of components. The kitchen is not on the list of affected rooms. It also speaks only of 120 volt circuits. If an air handler or air conditioner is a 240 volt component, the AFCI rule would not apply.
 
charlie b said:
No it won't. It will only answer the second half. :D .
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I agree, I misread it, I thought he had a typo in the first section and was saying an AFCI instead of a GFCI.

As far as the GFCI, there are no MA amendments to 210.8 either.

So Lexington can want a GFCI device instead of a breaker but you could fight it.

A GFCI device is much less $ then a GFCI breaker so I might not really fight that one.
 
Ah yes Lexington. :wink:

Pretty basic one here, outside receptacles are not in the list of afci protected stuff.

Edit...oops. that does not adress the AFCI question.

Required GFCI protection can be breaker or receptacle.

I would not necesarily go by what the GC is telling you.

I wouldn't even automaticly go by what the inspector says either as my day yesterday would prove. ( Pix later.)
 
OK thanks...your posts help me a lot.

I don't actually have my copy of the 2008 NEC book, so maybe I'll buy one tomorrow.
 
jaylectricity said:
OK thanks...your posts help me a lot.

I don't actually have my copy of the 2008 NEC book, so maybe I'll buy one tomorrow.
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Six months in and no book yet?
 
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