Panel mod - Violation or no violation
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petersonra
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It looks to me like all they did was remove a panel board from the enclosure it came in and then used the old enclosure as a junction box.
I don't see any violation of anything.
I don't see any violation of anything.
petersonra
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good eye. is it a violation to put plywood in a junction box?
brantmacga
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I'm sure its fine. The enclosure will contain the fire.
petersonra
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what fire? I don't see a fire in the junction box.
That is plywood, and I have no idea why its in there. From what I can tell, the only thing in that panel is some wires and wire nuts.
I feel like there should be something to keep just anyone (including kids) from just opening the front door and grabbing a handful of hot wires. I think 110.27 A supports this.
When it was a panelboard, the front could be opened, and it was still a deadfront enclosure. Now, anyone can open it and access the wiring.
I feel like there should be something to keep just anyone (including kids) from just opening the front door and grabbing a handful of hot wires. I think 110.27 A supports this.
When it was a panelboard, the front could be opened, and it was still a deadfront enclosure. Now, anyone can open it and access the wiring.
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What is typically called a panel is actually two parts, the cabinet which is what is shown in the photo and the panelboard, the part that was removed. There is not reason why there cannot be splices in a cabinet with a hinged door.
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- PE (Retired) - Power Systems
This looks like a standard offering from most panel board manufacturers. It was called a 'telephone cabinet' and was originally intended for phone splice blocks they were often used for almost any splice.
I am sure they are still available.
I am sure they are still available.
petersonra
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110.27 refers to live parts. are insulated wires considered "live"? If that was the case then extension cords would be "live" parts.
I do not think you are wrong about closing the door and keeping it closed. either lock it or put a screw thru the flange to keep it closed.
Well, they are individual conductors, which normally need to be enclosed in a chapter 3 wiring method.
They extension cord has an extra outer protective covering, so its a cable.
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I don't see anything that 110.27(A) would apply to. How is this different from a hinged cover junction box?
petersonra
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They can also be in an enclosure, like a junction box or panel board enclosure.
Some extension cords have an extra outer covering, some do not. look at lamp cords. Just two conductors with the insulation melted together.
I'm sure you are right. The plywood brought "telephone cabinets" back to mind... I've installed a few but I' didn't recall them having a panel schedule on the door. Strange combination.
hbiss
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Any "telephone cabinet" I have ever seen had more access to the interior through the cover. That looks like a panel with the guts removed. Perhaps the plywood was put there later and there is sheetmetal behind it?
And that latch looks like it should have a key lock already. Probably have to re-key it.
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They used standard panelboard fronts, so a directory holder would have been likely.
Still not the same thing as branch circuit wiring.
kwired
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And articles 312 and 314 are in chapter 3 and cover this cabinet.
Has already been mentioned, but there are general use enclosures that have hinged covers and open just as easily. If you don't want such easy access then put a lock on it, put a screw with a fender washer in the cover placed so that the door can't be opened, weld it shut..... whatever it takes.
I've usually done the screw with fender washer like I mentioned when I have eliminated a panelboard but kept the cabinet as a junction/pull box.
Can't do that.
That'd be a violation, unlike what's pictured.
I would however a lock or a screw in the cover to keep the kids out of it regardless of what the code allows.
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