Panel Swap Pictures. Step by Step. Just for Fun.

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mdshunk said:
I think he mentioned that another person sold the job. He probably works for one of those shops where you pick up your marching ordering in the morning and just go out and do the work without comment. In a situation where you're not being compensated for upselling, it's not even worth trying.
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True for some of the work. On others it's work I've estimated and sold. For me, these go a lot smoother. I designed it, priced it, and have a leg up going in, because I've already done the job in my head. And it gets done more to my liking.

Not every estimator sees the job the same way. Much like the folks here.

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I noticed in a few other pictures on this forum.
It seems like y'all go farther then I do before installing a disco outside.
As a general rule will install a disco outside, if the panel is not back to back to the meter.
With a little exception as far as height or it can be perpindicular.
 
buckofdurham said:
I noticed in a few other pictures on this forum.
It seems like y'all go farther then I do before installing a disco outside.
As a general rule will install a disco outside, if the panel is not back to back to the meter.
With a little exception as far as height or it can be perpindicular.
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I dont install a disconnect unless it is required, just extra expense...
 
Hey there Doggy dog where is the disconnect for this service that looks to be an interior wall and that is a three wire SE cable:confused: :confused:
 
buckofdurham said:
I noticed in a few other pictures on this forum.
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I'm only allowed 3 feet indoors, so I put on a lot of disco's. I might sometimes buy a MB panel anyhow, but transfer the main breaker to an empty outdoor disconnect enclosure and put lugs in the MB panel to keep the costs in check. There's a tip for y'all.
 
mdshunk said:
BUT... are you permitted to upsell? Do you get anything if you do? Do you get growled for making comments about the base job that was sold?
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Sure.

Is there any compensation for that? Not unless you consider the profit sharing compensation. We are well taken care of and are busy and growing and not in the need of upselling. People seek us out for our reputation, and we try to provide what they need. The owner has a knack for the upsell and have watched him do it, he's a natural. But the way he does it makes sense to me. It never seems frivolous. A balance of practical, code compliant, customer's budget, and confidence.

As far as getting growled at....I've learned diplomacy. Like I said there are many ways to approach the work. We don't always get to do it the way we want.
 
frizbeedog said:
But the way he does it makes sense to me. It never seems frivolous. A balance of practical, code compliant, customer's budget, and confidence.
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That's exactly how to pull it off.

I have an opinion on profit sharing, but I'll save that for a thread on that topic, should it ever come up.
 
ultramegabob said:
I dont install a disconnect unless it is required, just extra expense...
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Well we are not ussually changing a interior 200 amp panel.
So some times will put a 200 meter combo outside. Run the ac or water heater outside then down size the interior panel to 125 or so.

The costumer's extra exspense ussually goes in my pocket.
 
M. D. said:
Hey there Doggy dog where is the disconnect for this service that looks to be an interior wall and that is a three wire SE cable:confused: :confused:
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It is.

You are not confused.



It's in a bathroom by definition. Basin and a toilet.

....now I know for sure you're confused. :grin:
 
mdshunk said:
That too! Replacing flush panels is one time I might sometimes pick a HOM panel, since they're stupid long.

The biggest tragedy of that whole series of pictures was the replacement of a fine PushMatic panel.
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And he had to use a junker panel to replace it, if one is going to pay for a quality panel should at least use a quality panel.:D
 
frizbeedog said:
It is.

You are not confused.

It's in a bathroom by definition. Basin and a toilet.

....now I know for sure you're confused. :grin:
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I guess you have one of those loopholes that will let you repair an existing violation as long as you don't make it any worse?
 
norcal said:
And he had to use a junker panel to replace it, if one is going to pay for a quality panel should at least use a quality panel.:D
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QO panel. I don't feel it's junk. But let's not debate that again.

......OK. Go ahead if you want to. :)
 
M. D. said:
That would be tagged where I work ..
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Right, I would have moved it too. :smile:

I'll explain.

Like I said this was estimated by another, one of our field guys who happens not to work for us anymore, and was looked at over a year ago. Customer finally calls and want's the work done. So I get there and guess what? It's a bathroom!

So I call the chief electrical inspector for the county and explain the situation and he grants me an exception. He grandfathered it. As is his right.

He asked if I could flip the panel to the other side of the wall. I said, no. Behind it was the kitchen refrigerator, and the wall was finished with brick.

He did ask me if there was a receptacle in the bathroom. I say, yes. He says, GFCI protect the receptacle, change the panel and have a nice day.

So....I did.

I did discover that originally this was a landry room and at some point someone took out the washer and dryer and put a toilet in there.
 
frizbeedog said:
QO panel. I don't feel it's junk. But let's not debate that again.

......OK. Go ahead if you want to. :)
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OK, I will..... QO breakers are a fine product, just current production QO loadcenters are a cheaply built item having more in common w/ Zinsco then when in years past QO was a superb panel.
Sad to say the only decent loadcenter left is Cutler-Hammer type CH,at least in years past one had a # of good lines to choose plus a few junk lines for the lowballers.
 
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