I am remodeling a kitchen with a peninsula that is 9'4" forming a U shaped kitchen. The old countertop had a 10" overhang that allowed the countertop to be an eating area on the side where the knee wall is located(you could get a stool and your knees under the overhang). The old ('78) construction had 1 receptacle at the open end of the counter (that edge was flush and no overhang). New inspector says I can only have 6 inch overhang on kneewall side and I MUST have receptacles every 4 feet minimum, and can't be on the knee wall unless there is less than 6" overhang. I can't have recept's in base cabinets and no overhead cabinets. How do I keep the overhang and "eat on" configuration?
peninsula receptacle
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pierre
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Re: peninsula receptacle
Your inspector is a bit overzealous.
He cannot determine the overhang of the peninsula to start with. You are only responsible for "at least one" receptacle in the peninsula, unless it is broken up by a cooktop, sink, range or refrigerator. The receptacle location at the end of the peninsula as you mentioned should be fine.
210.52(C)(3)&(4)
The 24inch requirement (48 inches linear), is for WALL Counter Spaces as per 210.52(C)(1)
Your inspector is a bit overzealous.
He cannot determine the overhang of the peninsula to start with. You are only responsible for "at least one" receptacle in the peninsula, unless it is broken up by a cooktop, sink, range or refrigerator. The receptacle location at the end of the peninsula as you mentioned should be fine.
210.52(C)(3)&(4)
The 24inch requirement (48 inches linear), is for WALL Counter Spaces as per 210.52(C)(1)
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Re: peninsula receptacle
Be kind to this "new inspector" person. But do not give in to this person. Point out the section that Pierre cited, and ask the Inspector to reconsider the ruling.
allenwayne
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I have gotten into many discussions with inspectors in regards to many things.Like gfci for receps within 6 ft of laundry tub 02 cycle,a 2 ft wall in the cooking area of a kitchen that had no recep (same insp) passed the rough and failed the final.What requires in use covers and what doesn`t.Usually I find they will work with us but some are stubborn and even though we are there and in #`s a simple gfci created a red tag.Or an incandesent fixture over a door was 11 7/8 from the shelf and we weren`t allowed to move the bar the 1/8 in.Valid calls yes but when standing there with 2 maybe 3 crews why create recalls for themselves.They are 3 aometimes 4 days out on inspections as it is.
I have gotten into many discussions with inspectors in regards to many things.Like gfci for receps within 6 ft of laundry tub 02 cycle,a 2 ft wall in the cooking area of a kitchen that had no recep (same insp) passed the rough and failed the final.What requires in use covers and what doesn`t.Usually I find they will work with us but some are stubborn and even though we are there and in #`s a simple gfci created a red tag.Or an incandesent fixture over a door was 11 7/8 from the shelf and we weren`t allowed to move the bar the 1/8 in.Valid calls yes but when standing there with 2 maybe 3 crews why create recalls for themselves.They are 3 aometimes 4 days out on inspections as it is.
JohnE
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Re: peninsula receptacle
Your inspector is way off base. Discuss it with him and cite the article, in a professional manner. If he does not see it the same way, you'll have to appeal his decision.
Your inspector is way off base. Discuss it with him and cite the article, in a professional manner. If he does not see it the same way, you'll have to appeal his decision.
sandsnow
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Re: peninsula receptacle
Good advice. I like the "be kind" part.
electricmanscott
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- Boston, MA
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Re: peninsula receptacle
I had a few other thoughts.
JohnE
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Re: peninsula receptacle
Put bookshelves under overhang, problem solved.
Put bookshelves under overhang, problem solved.
hurk27
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Re: peninsula receptacle
Yep tomarrow nite
electricmanscott
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Re: peninsula receptacle
Genius!Originally posted by j_erickson:
Put bookshelves under overhang, problem solved.
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2017
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- Hospital Master Electrician
Re: peninsula receptacle
Does this look like the inspector in question?
Does this look like the inspector in question?
electricman2
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Re: peninsula receptacle
Boy,first George has to explain DEFCON and now there is "Jack Bauer"
Who the heck is Jack Bauer??
P.S. Anyone but me have a problem seeing the pic George posted?
Boy,first George has to explain DEFCON and now there is "Jack Bauer"
Who the heck is Jack Bauer??
P.S. Anyone but me have a problem seeing the pic George posted?
hurk27
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Re: peninsula receptacle
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hurk27
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Re: peninsula receptacle
Jack Bauer
EXPERIENCE:
Department of Defense, Washington DC ? Special Assistant to the Secretary of Defense
CTU ? Director of Field Operations, Los Angeles Domestic Unit
CTU ? Former Special Agent in Charge, Los Angeles Domestic Unit
Los Angeles PD - Special Weapons and Tactics
EDUCATION:
LASD - Basic SWAT School
Master of Science, Criminology and Law - University of California (Berkeley)
Bachelor of Arts, English Literature - University of California (Los Angeles)
Special Forces Operations Training Course
MILTARY:
US Army - Combat Applications Group,
Delta Force Counter Terrorist Group
PERSONAL:
Widowed
Daughter - Kimberly Bauer
[ January 14, 2006, 11:34 PM: Message edited by: hurk27 ]
Jack Bauer
EXPERIENCE:
Department of Defense, Washington DC ? Special Assistant to the Secretary of Defense
CTU ? Director of Field Operations, Los Angeles Domestic Unit
CTU ? Former Special Agent in Charge, Los Angeles Domestic Unit
Los Angeles PD - Special Weapons and Tactics
EDUCATION:
LASD - Basic SWAT School
Master of Science, Criminology and Law - University of California (Berkeley)
Bachelor of Arts, English Literature - University of California (Los Angeles)
Special Forces Operations Training Course
MILTARY:
US Army - Combat Applications Group,
Delta Force Counter Terrorist Group
PERSONAL:
Widowed
Daughter - Kimberly Bauer
[ January 14, 2006, 11:34 PM: Message edited by: hurk27 ]
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- New Jersey
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- Journeyman Electrician
Re: peninsula receptacle
Here is a photo of Kimberly Bauer.
Here is a photo of Kimberly Bauer.
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2017
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- Hospital Master Electrician
Re: peninsula receptacle
Remember Kim's "I have to hide out in this crazed hermit's bunker because of the fallout from the nuke my Daddy just rode into the desert" scene? Very nice.
Remember Kim's "I have to hide out in this crazed hermit's bunker because of the fallout from the nuke my Daddy just rode into the desert" scene? Very nice.
Re: peninsula receptacle
With out a picture of your layout it is kind of hard to correctly answer your question. there is a six inch rule that applies to overhanges only if you can not locate the receptacle on a wall. I don't have a NEC in front of me so I will have to go off memory. If you need to locate a receptacle under a counter ttop that is to serve said counter top, the counter top must not extend mre than six inches from its base and must be installed with in 12 inches from the counter top. The way we usualy avoid this is to locate the rexeptacle on the end of the cab as close to the front corner as possible, since must counter tops only have a 1 to 2 inch over hange in the front. hope this helps.
With out a picture of your layout it is kind of hard to correctly answer your question. there is a six inch rule that applies to overhanges only if you can not locate the receptacle on a wall. I don't have a NEC in front of me so I will have to go off memory. If you need to locate a receptacle under a counter ttop that is to serve said counter top, the counter top must not extend mre than six inches from its base and must be installed with in 12 inches from the counter top. The way we usualy avoid this is to locate the rexeptacle on the end of the cab as close to the front corner as possible, since must counter tops only have a 1 to 2 inch over hange in the front. hope this helps.
Re: peninsula receptacle
I do not like kitchen recepts. that are on the side of the cabinets to serve the counter top.It makes it to easy for a toddler to the pull cord and the deep fryer right down on top of him. I only install one to satisfy the code, and caution the home owners about using it.
Someone needs to design a good looking tombstone one to mount on top of counter islands.
I do not like kitchen recepts. that are on the side of the cabinets to serve the counter top.It makes it to easy for a toddler to the pull cord and the deep fryer right down on top of him. I only install one to satisfy the code, and caution the home owners about using it.
Someone needs to design a good looking tombstone one to mount on top of counter islands.
bphgravity
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- Florida
Re: peninsula receptacle
Not anymore. Deep fryers and the like have quick disconnect cords that are magnetically held. Many of these acidents are now avoided. I feel appliance manufacturer's should be pushed to make safer and more protected products verses making the NEC more stringent.
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