no, single gang box. You use keystone wallplates which take up to 6 inserts in a single gang, then you install whichever inserts you need into the wallplate (RJ45 for network, RJ12 for phone, F81 for coax, etc)
Phone cable and cat 5
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no, single gang box. You use keystone wallplates which take up to 6 inserts in a single gang, then you install whichever inserts you need into the wallplate (RJ45 for network, RJ12 for phone, F81 for coax, etc)
stickboy1375
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TOOL_5150
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You are such an angry fella. And only 2 posts too! Your blatent hate on us, "you electricians" is annoying. Not all electricians are ignorant to LV installation. I, for example, started out in the LV - and owned a LV business right out of high school.
So as a new forum member, I wouldnt just come in here pointing fingers and stepping on toes.
~Matt
That guy is cranky, but I admit that I was grimacing a bit that no one called it structured wiring for awhile.
I just am the same as most here in not wanting to drill big holes for expensive wire that is not going to be used. Two pull boxes of RG6 and CT5 each are just a bit bulkier to move around, but save in hole size, when only one or two are needed for the location.
I especially like the box to access port conduit concept, and use it when they let me.
I just am the same as most here in not wanting to drill big holes for expensive wire that is not going to be used. Two pull boxes of RG6 and CT5 each are just a bit bulkier to move around, but save in hole size, when only one or two are needed for the location.
I especially like the box to access port conduit concept, and use it when they let me.
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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Well, that's certainly not the place to start.
Smart, there are some electricians who are well versed in LV, and some who aren't. I'm sure there are some LV guys who know power wiring and some who don't. A guy has to know when he's qualified for certain work, and when he isn't. You can't lump all electricians OR all LV guys together.
I have done plenty of audio/video, computer networking, POTS, cable/satelllite, alarm, etc. work. In a 7800 sq.ft.+ house I wired a couple of years ago, I did ALL of the wiring: power, phone, satellite, H/T and whole-house audio, networking; everything but the T-stat wires (but I know how.)
I tested every run and termination, and everything worked the first time. I have never used the 'structured cable' because it wasn't right for the job. In every room, the best location for, say, the satellite receiver was not the best location for the network access port or the phone jack.
None of all this matters, though. What does matter, and what you'll learn if you stay here, is: depsite how we may disagree on certain points in our discussions (and believe me, we have had some disagreements!), we remain civil, and treat each other with respect.
And, I hope you do hang out here a while. It'll be nice to have a greater amount of LV discussions. I'm a home-theater guy myself. (I have a CRT projector; if that doesn't prove it, what does? :wink
Just chill a little; none of it is worth getting upset over, unless it's costing you money.Welcome to the zoo. :smile:
electricmanscott
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I agree with the wireguru.
Also there seems to be alot of "it's too expensive" comments about this cable. To that I say GOOD. I'd rather sell and expensive product that is easier to install and make more money fom it any day.
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FlyFish
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The reason why LV installers get s**t on the job is because many are unlicensed and have no idea what the NEC is. I do LV work and I never get any s**t from any EC. They see that I know what I'm doing. They also see the same violations that I see. LV people running CM cable in riser and plenum applications, wires tied to conduits, wires laid on ceiling grids and no fire stop. What about "neat and workman like manner"
Try this, When you get to a construction site find the EC say hello, identify yourself and what your going to be installing. You would be surprised at the help they will be. I always get asked for my business card and now have about 8 EC's that call me for subcontract work. Remember if you walk onto a job with an attitude you'll always get S**T. BUTTHOLES always get's S**T.
But if you're getting X dollars per outlet, id rather use the lower cost material (without skimping on quality of course) and make more profit.
MAK
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"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." I think you should reevaluate your opinion on electricians as a whole. Not all electricians would treat you as they have in your post. I laugh at people who try to degrade my trade or skill set. They may be ignorant to my trade and skill set or have a deep seeded insecurity that fuels their poor attitude. I could care less if they thought the earth was flat! That is their problem.:wink:
Now don't let the poor attitude of others turn you into what you despise. If you're not careful you might find yourself in the same group.
hbiss
EC, Westchester, New York NEC: 2014
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- EC
... you electrician's think you know it all [and] call us losers [because we are] not a real trade. Well I can go on for ever ... I'm not trying to diss you guys but I hate getting ostracized on the job site from you guys- you give us no credit and it piss's me off. It's funny how many of you guys now say you install home theater and cctv and home automation and whole house audio and hang tv's when like 5 years ago if you ask a electrician if he could run a phone line he would laugh in your face ... so please just leave us alone and let us do our work.
Geeze, and I thought I was the only grumpy old guy here. Welcome to the club electricmanscott. :wink:
-Hal
Geeze, and I thought I was the only grumpy old guy here. Welcome to the club electricmanscott. :wink:
-Hal
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electricmanscott
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Guess it depend on how you look at it.
I don't "get" x dollars per outlet I "bill" x dollars per outlet. What I bill is based on what material and labor will be used for the outlet. if I use a higher priced material and charge for it I will make more money.
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