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you must have children, mdshunk, I do these things also , the single guys can't relate when you start singing cartoons
 
allenwayne said:
I`ve always been a firm believer, rough it as if you are going to trim it.Didn`t make a difference if I was hourly or piece.I have been in both sets of shoes.

I worked for one company that did there best to have the rough crew trim out the houses they did.Made a big difference on the quality of the work.
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Agreed. I always strip, splice, and hook (except GFCI's, etc.) my device wires on rough, while I already have my Kleins and/or strippers in my hands, and fold the ends where the devices will go.

That way, the only tool I need at trim is an electric screwdriver. As long as the drywallers left the wires alone, there's no question which wires go to which device. The freshly-painted walls stay cleaner, too.

acrwc10 said:
I know alot of people don't like the 'wago' push in wire connectors but they work great for rough in splices. If you splice all your leads and don't leave a pig tail on them, you can put the pig tails on the recepticals on the bench then just plug them in at the box on trim out.
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I like it! :)
 
acrwc10 said:
I know alot of people don't like the 'wago' push in wire connectors but they work great for rough in splices. If you splice all your leads and don't leave a pig tail on them, you can put the pig tails on the recepticals on the bench then just plug them in at the box on trim out. If installed correctly the work great. I have used thousands of them and had only one pull out because it was install wrong. They are far better then the quick wire plugs in the recepticals because they have a higher amp rating.
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I guess I would be one of those people that doesn't like the "wago" push in connectors. To me they fall into the same category as jamming the wires into the backside of a switch or receptacle. I see it as all of these are depending on spring tension inside of the device or connector to insure the conductor is locked in there. As with any spring, it can lose some of it's tension over time which could lead to connection failure. Maybe I'm just old school but I prefer splices that I know are properly done and tight as can be, along with the connections on the devices.
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electricaldoc said:
We had no agenda. We read the code book out loud and asked questions. The biggest waste of time and money.
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Dan, I think it is very sad that there are too many electrical courses around the country that are really inadequate in what the student gets out of them and are as you said a waste of money. I know that the local course that is offered here in our area has got to be one of the biggest jokes there is. It amazes me that the instructor is state certified to begin with. I have worked with many apprentices who have the misfortune of going to this course and some of the things they tell me just make me shake my head. If an instructor is caught off guard by a spur of the moment question that he does not know, then he should offer to research it and get back to you with a proper answer with facts at the next class, not just some off the cuff response to save face and make themselves appear to be all knowing. Sometimes before going to a course, it is best to do some research and find out from other people about the instructor. You have to be in class for the required time anyway, so you may as well get the best possible training there is while you are there.
 
LarryFine said:
I always strip, splice, and hook (except GFCI's, etc.) my device wires on rough...
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Do you tape off the boxes to keep paint off the 'to-be-terminated' conductor ends? Or does the painter take care of that for you?
 
georgestolz said:
Do you tape off the boxes to keep paint off the 'to-be-terminated' conductor ends? Or does the painter take care of that for you?
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I admit I do occasionally have to re-strip an end, but rarely enough to be an issue.

Besides, you could say the same thing in defense of not even stripping the sheathing until trim.
 
electricaldoc said:
We had no agenda. We read the code book out loud and asked questions. The biggest waste of time and money.
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Other than the agenda....isn't that what we do here :grin:
 
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Now thats funny!!!!
 
georgestolz said:
Do you tape off the boxes to keep paint off the 'to-be-terminated' conductor ends? Or does the painter take care of that for you?
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Painters in my area in SE GA dont lol...they dont do anything that they dont have to. The drywall guys dont either. I have to splice way to many of my wires inside of outlet boxes because they decided to cut into them with their router. Then again that may be my fault for not getting my wires rolled up tightly enough. I have never stripped out my wires during rough in except for switches. I usually make up all switches during the rough in stage. Does it work better when you guys get all of your connections ready while you are roughing in? I might have to try this on the next house we do. BTW...have any of you ever wired a house where practically every receptical was located in the baseboard? Except for counter top receps of course. This was a pain for me on the rough in and im sure it will really be a pain when I go back to trim outl
 
Returning to pigtailing ungrounded and grounded. I hope I do not look like a fool...But on service work I used to get calls that a receptacle did not work or the rest of them downstream. Well there You have it. Almost like a series circuit the terminations were weak losing the grounded conductor another non code reason for pigtailing......but good for service income.
 
kyled86 said:
I have never stripped out my wires during rough in except for switches. I usually make up all switches during the rough in stage. Does it work better when you guys get all of your connections ready while you are roughing in? IQUOTE]

I always splice at rough and I also use 22in boxs they dont cost much more but you can get the wires back in them with lots of room to spare. The inspectors in my area want to see them spliced at rough.
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dcspector said:
The only thing I want to see at rough is egc's made up and MWBC grounded conductors made up in a device box.
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The inspector who's been inspecting HforH work here in Austin apparently wants everything stripped, in addition to the EGCs made up. End result is mud and paint all over the contents of the box.

I take the big chunks of goo off with my strippers, then wipe the remaining flecks off with my fingers. Not too much bother, but I'd rather NOT do anything and have you guys hold your water and let us leave the insulation and sheathing on the wires ...
 
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