pigtailing or back stabbing outlets

[steelersman]

If any of those connections mentioned above get loose the receptacle will get very hot.

this is true for sure....

 

[480sparky]

If any of those connections mentioned above get loose the receptacle will get very hot.

.....when a load is introduced through it.

 

[peter d]

.....when a load is introduced through it.

Are you sure?

 

[480sparky]

Are you sure?

No load = No current flow. How would you create a fire hazard with no current flow?

 

[steelersman]

.....when a load is introduced through it.

yeah I almost said the same thing, but then I got to thinking, it probably would still get hot and arc even if there is no current draw. Let's say the 2 blacks are coming loose and it is constantly sparking and arcing even without a load.

 

[steelersman]

I suddenly think a new dilemna or drama or argument has unfolded.

 

[480sparky]

yeah I almost said the same thing, but then I got to thinking, it probably would still get hot and arc even if there is no current draw. Let's say the 2 blacks are coming loose and it is constantly sparking and arcing even without a load.

To create an arc, current needs to flow..... with no load (hence, no current), how is that possible?

I suddenly think a new dilemna or drama or argument has unfolded.

Yep..... sit back and watch!

 

[steelersman]

To create an arc, current needs to flow..... with no load (hence, no current), how is that possible?



Yep..... sit back and watch!

I know what you mean and I was thinking the same thing, but I'm not quite sure.

 

[480sparky]

I know what you mean and I was thinking the same thing, but I'm not quite sure.

Take an energized wire..........

Um, lemme rephrase that.........


Imagine taking an energized wire and touching it to something. If no current can flow because that something cannot complete a circuit, there's no arc.

Now, imagine taking that same hot wire and pulling a recep out of your pouch and touching the terminal to the energized wire? Think it will arc or spark?

 

[aftershock]

Imagine taking an energized wire and touching it to something. If no current can flow because that something cannot complete a circuit, there's no arc.

Now, imagine taking that same hot wire and pulling a recep out of your pouch and touching the terminal to the energized wire? Think it will arc or spark?

No. and, depends.

 

[steelersman]

Take an energized wire..........

Um, lemme rephrase that.........


Imagine taking an energized wire and touching it to something. If no current can flow because that something cannot complete a circuit, there's no arc.

Now, imagine taking that same hot wire and pulling a recep out of your pouch and touching the terminal to the energized wire? Think it will arc or spark?

I understood what you were saying. I just wasn't ready to come down off of the fence. But after searching for info with no luck online and thinnking about it real hard I think you (and me, cause I was about to say the same thing you did to Peter) are right. I have to go with my first instinct.

 

[480sparky]

No. and, depends.

Depends on.....?

 

[aftershock]

Depends on.....?

Depends on if you have something plugged into that recep and you have connected the neutral wire to the recep as well.

 

[480sparky]

Depends on if you have something plugged into that recep and you have connected the neutral wire to the recep as well.

Then you can have a completed circuit through the load. But touch an energized wire to the terminal of a device that has nothing plugged into it, and there's no circuit and no current clow.

 

[steelersman]

Then you can have a completed circuit through the load. But touch an energized wire to the terminal of a device that has nothing plugged into it, and there's no circuit and no current clow.

aftershock obviously wasn't on board from the beginning. Can you explain this strange new term to me called current clow?

 

[480sparky]

aftershock obviously wasn't on board from the beginning. Can you explaing this strange new term to me called current clow?

Mie kompeyter kan't spel.

 

[electricdave]

some recepts don't have screws on the side, except the ground.

 

[steelersman]

some recepts don't have screws on the side, except the ground.

and what might your point be for making that statement?

 

[electricdave]

I guess I dont have a point. sorry

 

[ArcNSpark]

Except when you want them out.

That's usually when you realize that you have about three-quarters of an inch of free conductor available, and it's in a steel box.