Pigtailing

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Jim W in Tampa said:
Track builders all want the same thing.CHEAP ,CHEAP ,PRICE.If you cant do it they will find somebody else.Have seen them complain over an extra $50 on a $2,000 job
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For cryin' out loud its TRACT builders. The homes are built on a tract of land.

Unless of course you are talking about railroad construction. :grin:

Now I'm heading back to a topic that is actually worth discussing. :wink:
 
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LarryFine said:
Okay, I'll chime in:

I pigtail when I want to, say with three cables in a receptacle box, or if I'm adding a third to an existing one. I pigtail the incoming and outgoing run, and put the new cable on the other receptacle screws.

Of course, a MWBC's neutral gets pigtailed every time, even with handle-tied breakers. Sometimes, old work requires extending original wiring. I've never been told a job's specs required it, though.

Now that I think about it, I have pigtailed when, say, I wanted to energize a circuit during roughing in. I pre-pigtailed the receptacles, so trimming out required only adding the pigtails to the splices.
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We graduated from the same pigtailing school.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Could you post the info on one of them ? 2 wires under one screw ? i sure hope your joking
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Jim I think Hubbell makes one. The pressure terminal is similar to a Sq D breaker Terminal.


Sorry Bob already answered this. I am experiencing IP problems today due to our power outages overnight.
 
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electricmanscott said:
I can't even read past this hogwash. :roll: :roll:

Good luck with this topic. :roll: :roll:

Cool old NEC though. :grin:
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Did somebody mention a hogwash? *wiggles tail*:D
 
I opened a box one time and there were 8 conductors on the outlet (4-hot, 4-neutral, four to the screws, four to the 'quick wire".
 
I did see Hubbel do make backwired to take total of 8 conductors but i don't recall the number but if i do i will try to post the photo of it.

As far for pigtailing it pretty much depending on the #'s of conductors in the box expect the MWBC mantory pigtailing.

Merci,Marc
 
Marc I am fairly certain the Hubbell 5362 is listed to take 9 total conductors, 1 EGC 4 grounded and 4 ungrounded, they all could be solid 10 AW as well ..... good luck pushing that back in the box.
 
iwire said:
Marc I am fairly certain the Hubbell 5362 is listed to take 9 total conductors, 1 EGC 4 grounded and 4 ungrounded, they all could be solid 10 AW as well ..... good luck pushing that back in the box.
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Eh #10'S ?? naw i will just pigtailed it instead try to push them back and rip the box right off from the studface.

Merci,Marc
 
I'm fairly big guy and I've always known that part of the electricians art is being able to fit 5lbs. of s##t into a 2 lb box , but I sure wouldn't want to try and stuff one of those hubbles with 9 10s back into a box. Probably ripp it off the stud!:)
 
480Sparky,
You asked for the dimensions of the breakaway tabs: here they are:
.028 X .124 =.003472 sq. inches
.032 X .094 =.003008 sq. inches
These are both from back stab type receptacles.
Material is evidently brass. I wil leave you the pleasure of calculating the amperage.
~Peter
 
electricmanscott said:
For cryin' out loud its TRACT builders. The homes are built on a tract of land.

Unless of course you are talking about railroad construction. :grin:

Now I'm heading back to a topic that is actually worth discussing. :wink:
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not acording to google
 
8 conductors + ground... how about this guy from leviton?

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How is everyone looking @ the labor aspect of pigtailing or not?we have done some large residential projects where I tried to convience my foreman that he would same time & money on the rough by only pigtailing where required,he said by doing this,- it slowed him down on the finish with the extra term;s....
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
I seen a fire start over using them screws to feed thru.By luck i just happened to be there and quickly killed breakers and put flame out with water.Was an all wood cheeky hut.Rewired the place the next week.Many things are legal but bad practice.Will admitt on track homes we had no choice but to back stab to keep price down.
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I've got anecdotal stories about wirenuts failing and melting, too. If installed properly, either method is safe. Beyond that, it's a personal preference.

If someone's running a job and wants one way or the other and it's their butt on the line, I'll do it their way as long as it's legal. Otherwise, I do it my way, since I've got a card that says I'm qualified to do so.
 
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