Pigtails in the Panel

[readydave8]

Violation. 300.13. The handyman has created a 'tap'/splice of a grounded conductor. "unless permitted by 300.15;"

I consider this a more dangerous situation than before. IMHO the way it existed was most likely safe(r).

I don't see how 300.13 applies, not seeing any splices in a raceway

 

[jaggedben]

It's a violation of 408.41.

In my opinion if you used something like a three position insulated multi tap connector (that is, Polaris type) and the pigtail ampacity was sufficient for both circuits, then it would be okay. But not with a wirenut and same size wire as each circuit.

(408.41 should be moved to 200 'cuz that's where I was looking for it too.)

 

[letgomywago]

It's a violation of 408.41.

In my opinion if you used something like a three position insulated multi tap connector (that is, Polaris type) and the pigtail ampacity was sufficient for both circuits, then it would be okay. But not with a wirenut and same size wire as each circuit.

(408.41 should be moved to 200 'cuz that's where I was looking for it too.)

I think that something like that should be allowed but it isn't specifically. They sell insulated nuetral bar kits for panels. That's a CH so might be available but even if it isn't listed for that model some effort to do something better could be done.

 

[jaggedben]

Yeah I agree that adding an additional insulated neutral bar could be allowed, although sizing the jumper bears thinking about.

I hope this is not the service panel with only a meter outside. Reason I bring that up is because it's that split bus type that was intended to have a max of 6 two-pole breakers in the top section, one of which feeds the single pole circuits in the bottom section. The reason there are now too many neutrals for the terminals supplied is because of the single pole circuits in the top section. If it's the service panel then those are in violation of 230.71.

 

[electrofelon]

Pigtailing the neutrals isn't correct, unless, as already been mentioned, they are from different legs on the panel.

or the hots are pigtailed also.

 

[kwired]

So then handle ties would be required. : - )


I think you mean 200.4? Otherwise upsized pigtails would be fine for the case that the corresponding ungrounded conductors don't form an MWBC.

Cheers, Wayne

Now yes, back when that installation was new, only if each pole of the MWBC supplied the same yoke.

 

[Frank DuVal]

Violation. 300.13. The handyman has created a 'tap'/splice of a grounded conductor. "unless permitted by 300.15;"

No splices in a raceway, so not a violation of 300.13 as Dave pointed out.

Now, if one joined two 14 awg neutrals to a 10 awg pigtail to the neutral screw, ampacity would be correct! If they are 12 awg neutrals, then 8 awg pigtail, but... much easier to do as Larry says with the joining of grounds instead of neutrals.