plan review wire sizing and cord drops

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Todd0x1

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Do the cord caps need any sort of extra strain relief added to them?

I think that depends on how much strain is on it and on the connector itself. There are some available with a kellems grip that screws onto where the normal strain relief goes. The ones we use bite into the cable really good, they have a plastic wedge thing molded into the rubber part of the grip. I attached a photo of one with the strain relief disassembled. 20230517_120755-1200.jpg
 

Krusscher

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I think that depends on how much strain is on it and on the connector itself. There are some available with a kellems grip that screws onto where the normal strain relief goes. The ones we use bite into the cable really good, they have a plastic wedge thing molded into the rubber part of the grip. I attached a photo of one with the strain relief disassembled. View attachment 2565351
Im trying to find a HP rated cord cap and can't seem to find anything below $300. Where do you get yours? HP rated is necessary for a cord and plug connected motor controller correct?
 

Todd0x1

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CNC machine isn't a motor load, its all electronics. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but 430.19(F) applies only if the plug and receptacle is used as a motor disconnect. In the CNC machine application there is no motor directly behind the plug.
 

Krusscher

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CNC machine isn't a motor load, its all electronics. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but 430.19(F) applies only if the plug and receptacle is used as a motor disconnect. In the CNC machine application there is no motor directly behind the plug.
I am installing drops for a Lathe, Mill and the haas i believe has a 5hp motor on it.
 

suemarkp

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I was handed off a project that started before I got to the college and they just got an approval on the plan review that I am seeing for the first time. I am assuming that they can get away with running #10 from a 35A breaker because it is feeding motor circuits? I would like to feed these with cord drops from the ceiling that only like 15/20ft and want to make sure what I am think is ok. Can I use strain reliefs from a 4 square to a twist lock recept with a strain relief on it? would I need to add strain relief to the whip from the machine? Does my Recept have to be sized for the breaker or can I size it for the actual load like they did with the wire? if anyone has any suggestions on the best way to do it/products I'm all ears.
What is the rating of the receptacles you want to use? You can't put a 30A receptacle on a 35A circuit even if the load is a motor.
 

Todd0x1

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The mill feed goes right into an on off switch and the lathe has motor contactors in it but you are correct the haas has a drive.
Its time I demur to those with better code knowledge of this. Is a pair of connectors hanging in the air on the line side of a motor disconnect switch on the machine considered a motor disconnect that requires HP rating? FYI the horsepower ratings on hubbell twist lock connectors are pretty low compared to their current rating.
 

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this is in the manual for the lathe, I assume this means that I need to install a fused disconnect?
 

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Krusscher

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What is the rating of the receptacles you want to use? You can't put a 30A receptacle on a 35A circuit even if the load is a motor.
Yeah that was one of my original questions and feared that might be the answer. I'm starting to think dropping a conduit onto a pole and feeding the panel that way might be the way to go.
 

garbo

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I was handed off a project that started before I got to the college and they just got an approval on the plan review that I am seeing for the first time. I am assuming that they can get away with running #10 from a 35A breaker because it is feeding motor circuits? I would like to feed these with cord drops from the ceiling that only like 15/20ft and want to make sure what I am think is ok. Can I use strain reliefs from a 4 square to a twist lock recept with a strain relief on it? would I need to add strain relief to the whip from the machine? Does my Recept have to be sized for the breaker or can I size it for the actual load like they did with the wire? if anyone has any suggestions on the best way to do it/products I'm all ears.
I was handed off a project that started before I got to the college and they just got an approval on the plan review that I am seeing for the first time. I am assuming that they can get away with running #10 from a 35A breaker because it is feeding motor circuits? I would like to feed these with cord drops from the ceiling that only like 15/20ft and want to make sure what I am think is ok. Can I use strain reliefs from a 4 square to a twist lock recept with a strain relief on it? would I need to add strain relief to the whip from the machine? Does my Recept have to be sized for the breaker or can I size it for the actual load like they did with the wire? if anyone has any suggestions on the best way to do it/products I'm all ears.
I have ran drops from 1900 boxes ( what you call 4" square boxes ) by using a Kliems basket strain relief cord connector that has two eyelets that I either attached to the beam or piece of secured unistrut. I would rather use a female twist lock cord connector rather then hang a box on any cord drops. I always used at least SO ,SOW or other heavy cord. Even if I was doing a 120 or 240 volt drop always used cord rated for 600 volts. Burned me up when I came across somebody that used cheap SJO cord for a drop. If I came off a FS or FD box with hubs that were parallel to the floor would screw in a steel 90 degrees fitting that had a 1/2 or 3/4" female threads connection and attach a Klien basket strain relief cord connector into it. Had a 225# apprentice hand off a 10/4 cord drop and it held him. At a factory that moved machines on wheels would install a heavy spring that would stretch a few inches to help peop!e from pulling female cord connector off cords that they neglected to unplug before moving.
 
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