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Plaster Ring

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Alwayslearningelec

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NJ
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Estimator
When you roughing boxes for wall receptacles with metal boxes I know you obviously install device later but do you install the plaster ring at the same time you install the box. I'd say yes because you need the ring on before the sheetrock goes up, correct?
 
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Buck Parrish

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Alwayslearningelec said:
When you roughing boxes for wall receptacles with metal boxes I know you obviously install device later but do you install the plaster ring at the same time you install the box. I'd say yes because you need the ring on before the sheetrock goes up, correct?
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Yes, and some inspectors want to see a green screw with a jumper in it. Unless you're in Indiana, they don't care.
 
don_resqcapt19

don_resqcapt19

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Illinois
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retired electrician
Alwayslearningelec said:
When you roughing boxes for wall receptacles with metal boxes I know you obviously install device later but do you install the plaster ring at the same time you install the box. I'd say yes because you need the ring on before the sheetrock goes up, correct?
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Only if I have to. I much prefer to pull the wire before I install the plaster ring. It is also much easier to pull the wire before the drywall is installed. After I have all of the conductors installed, then I install the ring. (of course, since I come from the land of conduit and wire, that is what this comment applies to)
 
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Jaybone812

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Electrician
James L said:
With this box, I prefer ring after wiring View attachment 2574884
But this bracket becomes an assembly with box and ring, so the ring goes on at same time as box View attachment 2574885
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When you say you prefer to install the p ring after wiring I assume you mean after you cut the box in on the rough right ? That’s my preference as well. And when using the H23 brackets it’s just as easy to install the bracket with p ring after rough wiring the box as it is before you rough wire the box . Two self tappers and the brackets in . I feel It ends up being the quicker method of install . If the h23 and p ring go on before you actually wire the box it takes longer to wire and cut the box in . Securing the bracket takes 2 seconds . I just have guys leave the brackets and p rings under the box and whoever cuts it in attaches the bracket and p ring when the cut it in


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Jaybone812

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Massachusetts
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Electrician
don_resqcapt19 said:
No, we just don't count wire pulling as part of the rough in...the wire is always pulled before the drywall.
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I see . I have the guys mounting the boxes leave the p rings as well as h23’s if used in the bay under the box whether the wiring method used includes conduit or is mc/ac and the person who cuts the box in installs the p ring , h23/p ring as soon as the box is cut in . For me that ends up being the most efficient method


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James L

James L

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Kansas Cty, Mo, USA
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Electrician
Jaybone812 said:
And when using the H23 brackets it’s just as easy to install the bracket with p ring after rough wiring the box as it is before you rough wire the box . Two self tappers and the brackets in . I feel It ends up being the quicker method of install . If the h23 and p ring go on before you actually wire the box it takes longer to wire and cut the box in . Securing the bracket takes 2 seconds .
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Trying to wrap my head around this. Without the bracket, how is the box where it needs to be?

Jaybone812 said:
I just have guys leave the brackets and p rings under the box and whoever cuts it in attaches the bracket and p ring when the cut it in
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I would sit on a bucket for up to a week putting together box, pigtail, bracket and ring assemblies, then we would screw them on.

Tried it a few times with the ring attached with only one screw, and turned out of the way. That wasn't too bad. Then loosen the screws and turn the ring in place after cutting in.
 
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Jaybone812

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Massachusetts
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Electrician
infinity said:
For EMT in the walls typically yes. The boxes get mounted and a stub up hook is poked out into the ceiling. The wall is often rocked before the pipe work is complete.
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Around here they can’t close up the walls until the in wall inspection has been done , if there’s two sides to a wall they can board one side before the in wall rough but not both


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Jaybone812

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James L said:
Trying to wrap my head around this. Without the bracket, how is the box where it needs to be?


I would sit on a bucket for up to a week putting together box, pigtail, bracket and ring assemblies, then we would screw them on.

Tried it a few times with the ring attached with only one screw, and turned out of the way. That wasn't too bad. Then loosen the screws and turn the ring in place after cutting in.
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The box sits just fine without the H23 bracket , the bracket just prevents the box from getting pushed into the wall by the drywall guys . And if it’s an emt rough once it’s connected to the box and secured it’s solid enough to sit in the right place until the wire is pulled . And even if it’s mc it’s never an issue. unless the drawings land the box directly on a stud I’m mounting a 1900 box on a TSGB bracket anyways


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