Please tell me I am not crazy...

[George Stolz]

Re: Please tell me I am not crazy...

Forks? What an amateur. Everyone knows you hammer pieces of #6 bare flat on the ends, turn them C-shaped, and throw a meter blank in backwards. That's how the professionals do it.

 

[hurk27]

Re: Please tell me I am not crazy...

Jim
Click on you "My Profile" at the top of the page, I have sent you some info on Indiana laws and a contact to e-mail the state AHJ who will set this inspector straight. And he needs to be set straight!

 

[jstjohnz]

Re: Please tell me I am not crazy...

Originally posted by marinesgt0411:
Just out of curiousity how did he engineer the transition from wire to box to device

I'm not sure the term 'engineer' is applicable to this installation! At the receptacle end, the 4 stranded conductors were run into a plastic box, the type with twist-off plastic knockouts, no clamp.

I don't remember what, if anything, was used to support the wire coming down the wall.

I didn't look at the breaker panel end of the installation or the run in the attic..

When I spoke to the inspector, I asked him about the rule requiring that a portion of romex sheath extend into the box (basically arguing that individual conductors can't be legal if you have to have a cable sheath visible inside the box), his answer was that rule only applies if using romex.

Then I asked him what he thought the purpose of that rule was, his response was "why do you think it's there?". I said 2 possibilities come to mind, 1) to verify that you are running romex, 2) to protect the conductors where they are clamped at the box. Then he pointed out that some plastic boxes use the twist-off 'clamps' where it's really just a knockout, not a clamp.

-jim-

 

[jstjohnz]

Re: Please tell me I am not crazy...

Originally posted by rbalex:
I believe you need to start back at Section 300.1, the Scope statement for the entire Article:

300.1(A) All Wiring Installations This article covers wiring methods for all wiring installations unless modified by other articles.

As stated in 300.1, unless a wiring method is specifically described somewhere in the Code, it is prohibited. Nowhere in the NEC is the method described in the OP recognized, therefore it is prohibited.

Section 300.3(A) is specifically directed toward applications of conductors in Table 310.13 and to wiring methods in Chapter 3; i.e., Articles 300 to 398. Article 310 describes conductors themselves. ?Recognized wiring methods? are Articles 312 to 398.

There is noting in the rest of Article 300 that directly permits the method described in the OP; therefore, the wires must be installed by a method described in Articles 312 to 398.

I agree. As you say, I think you have to show that this wiring method is not listed in articles 312-398, therefore it is not allowed.

Now as far as the safety concerns re this type of installation, I guess it comes down to inadequate protection of the conductors.

-jim-