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I am inquiring about the use of plug molding and its application as a small appliance outlet in a kitchen. What is the maximum number of outlets that can be protected by a single 20 amp GFI breaker? The over all length of the mold then depending on the use of 6? or 12? on center product. I am in the NYC area. Thanks
 
stickboy1375 said:
220.3 (b)(8)
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That only applys to fixed multioutlet assemblies used in other than dwelling units.

If this is in a dwelling unit there is no maximum number of receptacles allowed on a 20 amp small appliance branch circuit according to the NEC.

Also on a side note this section has moved in the 2005 NEC to 220.14(H)

Chris
 
Plug mold as it applies to a kitchen counter top apliance outlet

Plug mold as it applies to a kitchen counter top apliance outlet

How does the then translate when you take into account 210.52 B (2) that states that "The two or more small-appliance branch circuits specified in 210.52 B (1) shall have no other outlets" ?
 
raider1 said:
That only applys to fixed multioutlet assemblies used in other than dwelling units.

If this is in a dwelling unit there is no maximum number of receptacles allowed on a 20 amp small appliance branch circuit according to the NEC.

Also on a side note this section has moved in the 2005 NEC to 220.14(H)

Chris
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I kinda thought he would have figured it out after reading it...;)
 
Old Kitchen Service

Old Kitchen Service

John@Matros said:
How does the then translate when you take into account 210.52 B (2) that states that "The two or more small-appliance branch circuits specified in 210.52 B (1) shall have no other outlets" ?
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The earlier Code years allowed as I recall, 2 services to to the Kitchen area and that they did not need to be dedicated to the Kitchen alone. One could pop out a branch to power the dining room or even come in from the bedroom or vica vera.

Which of course this evolved to todays required / dedicated service for kitchen S-A. circuits.
 
donselectric said:
there have been a few inspectors around here that wouldn't allow more than two duplexes per circuit...
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What did they cite when they red tagged the installation?

If it is not a local amendment, they are making up their own rules.

Roger
 
Plug mold

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I used plug mold on my last house. The Island had the sink in the middle and counter space on each side. I cut the plug mold to hold four plugs each side and was flush with the granite counter. I put each side on a GFCI breaker in the panel. I usually put the ref on a 20A circuit and have at least two other circuits in the kitchen and most of the time four. I wire each house as if I had to live there. Semper Fi
 
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roger said:
What did they cite when they red tagged the installation?

If it is not a local amendment, they are making up their own rules.

Roger
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This doesn't really go with this thread but as to inspectors I have found that it is how each inspector interprets the code. I always buy NEC code Handbook along with a copy of the regular code book. It is hard to misinterprets with illustrations. Semper Fi
 
John mentions he is from the NYC area. Only recently did they adopt the NEC. The adoption of the NEC has approximately 315 amendments to it specific for NYC.
Until the adoption of the NEC, only 2 devices were permitted per circuit in kitchens for NYC...there are some who still think that is required, it is not required anymore in NYC to have just 2 devices on one circuit.

BTW: The dining circuit is required to be on a small appliance branch circuit, of which it can be one of the two required in the kitchen.
 
Brady Electric said:
This doesn't really go with this thread but as to inspectors I have found that it is how each inspector interprets the code. I always buy NEC code Handbook along with a copy of the regular code book. It is hard to misinterprets with illustrations. Semper Fi
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In this case it would not be an interpretation issue.

As far as the NECH commentary, we must understand it is only the authors opinions and not part of the code, an inspector can very easily ignore any of the commentary.

The commentary and supplementary materials in this handbook are not a part of the Code and do not constitute Formal Interpretations of the NFPA (which can be obtained only through requests processed by the responsible technical committees in accordance with the published procedures of the NFPA). The commentary and supplementary materials, therefore, solely reflect the personal opinions of the editor or other contributors and do not necessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its technical committees. ?Registered Trademark National Fire Protection Association, Inc.
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Roger
 
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plug mold

Thanks to Pierre for clarifying the fact that NYC just joined the rest of the country in the NEC. Apprciate all the input guys, thanks
 
roger said:
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As far as the NECH commentary, we must understand it is only the authors opinions and not part of the code, an inspector can very easily ignore any of the commentary.

Roger
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It's true that Handbook commentary isn't part of the code and instead should be classified as interpretation. . But no one can make a case for individual inspectors to be more qualified than the Handbook authors to interpret the code. . And even if you have a genius superman inspector, abandoning uniform countrywide Handbook interpretation for individual inspector by inspector interpretation isn?t a good idea.

David
 
dnem said:
But no one can make a case for individual inspectors to be more qualified than the Handbook authors to interpret the code. David
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That seems like a valid point. I would add Mike Holt's interpretations on the NEC as well. Regarding the handbook, we've even had one of the four handbook authors, John M. Caloggero post here from time to time. It would be nice to hear his opinion on this.:cool:
 
dnem said:
But no one can make a case for individual inspectors to be more qualified than the Handbook authors to interpret the code.
David
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I agree, but I will point out that someone felt the need to include the disclaimer in case any of the commentary was challenged.

Roger
 
It is clear that the kitchen has to have two small appliance circuits and any room dealing with food can have receptacles on these two ckts. Question how many recpcts on each? Do we rate each outlet at 180va or is this plug mold considered equipment and rated at 90va if more than 4 outlets, according to 210.14 I. With this in mind I had an inspector tell me there was nothing that stated the amount of recepts on the S.A.C.
 
jumpinjohnny said:
It is clear that the kitchen has to have two small appliance circuits and any room dealing with food can have receptacles on these two ckts. Question how many recpcts on each? Do we rate each outlet at 180va or is this plug mold considered equipment and rated at 90va if more than 4 outlets, according to 210.14 I. With this in mind I had an inspector tell me there was nothing that stated the amount of recepts on the S.A.C.
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Johnny, I think you meant 220.14 I, and it is not applicable to dwelling units.

Roger
 
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