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Johny in a dwelling unit you may put as many receptacles as you want on the circuit.

You could fill the kitchen walls with 100s receptacles and as long as there where at least two circuits supplying these you would meet the NEC.
 
being that 180va at 120v would be 1.5a per outlet if we were using 220.14 I.,but we are not. so how do you determine how many outlets You could put on a 120v 20a ckt. at 80% =16 a i see about 11at 180va per outlet. Bottom line where else does the code state the requirements or can i assume i can rate each outlet at a 1/4 amp. just curious.
 
roger said:
In this case it would not be an interpretation issue.

As far as the NECH commentary, we must understand it is only the authors opinions and not part of the code, an inspector can very easily ignore any of the commentary.



Roger

As AHJ, some go on power trips and ignore the code as well, even if in black and white plain vanilla situations. Sad to say... Like many electricians, some haven't seen a code book in years it seems. And if confronted with something they don't see everyday they are forced to do some light reading and THINK. Even then, some have been enforcing non-exsistant codes for everyday items. While handbook commentary isn't part of the code - it does a good job at what its intended to do - PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE. And many of them point out other related codes, and I can't think of one yet that didn't break it down into easily understandable and well backed up commentary. The one for the code in question on the OP is a prime example.
 
jumpinjohnny said:
Bottom line where else does the code state the requirements or can i assume i can rate each outlet at a 1/4 amp. just curious.

220.13 Receptacle Loads ? Nondwelling Units.
In other than dwelling units, receptacle loads computed at not more than 180 volt-amperes per outlet in accordance with 220.3(B)(9) and fixed multioutlet assemblies computed in accordance with 220.3(B)(8) shall be permitted to be added to the lighting loads and made subject to the demand factors given in Table 220.11, or they shall be permitted to be made subject to the demand factors given in Table 220.13.

There is no other codes for how many outlets on a circuit for DWELLINGS... (Other than cord connected appliances "fastened in place" - like dish-washers and such.) You can have a supply house full of outlets. Although that would not be very wise.... It comes down to a judgement call.
 
NEC Code Handbook

NEC Code Handbook

The NEC Code Book I am referring to is the same thing as the NEC Code Book with added full color art in commentary. It is published by the NFPA. If you go to the NFPA site you will see all manuals. It is good to read all your comments and I salute this form and its members. I personally think it helps our electrical industry and makes us better electricians. Hope all of you have a GREAT Fourth of July and as always Semper Fi.
 
Brady Electric said:
The NEC Code Book I am referring to is the same thing as the NEC Code Book with added full color art in commentary. .

Yes that is the NECH National Electrical Code Handbook. :smile:

And while I have and use it we have to keep in mind the commentary and illustrations are not 'the code' they are simply opinions no more or less official then our own opinions.
 
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iwire said:
Yes that is the NECH National Electrical Code Handbook. :smile:

And while I have and use it we have to keep in mind the commentary and illustrations are not 'the code' they are simply opinions no more or less official then our own opinions.
A Big 10/4 . I keep both in my truck and I like the original best because it is not as bulky. At first when the larger NEC came out I didn't like it because I was use to the smaller one. My first code book was a 1968. I have kept all of my code books. My first NEC handbook was a 2002 edition. Thanks for keeping me straight. Semper Fi
 
e57 said:
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As AHJ, some go on power trips and ignore the code as well, even if in black and white plain vanilla situations. Sad to say... Like many electricians, some haven't seen a code book in years it seems. And if confronted with something they don't see everyday they are forced to do some light reading and THINK. Even then, some have been enforcing non-exsistant codes for everyday items.

That situation does arise far too often and when it does many contractors don?t know how to react to it. . Just getting angry doesn?t resolve the issue and yet that?s what many do. . A contractor needs to know the law in the state they practice in. . There is a procedure to follow in every state and many times the contractors recourse outlined in the law isn?t cumbersome or timeconsuming.

For those of you working in Ohio, there are many of my fellow inspectors that act as if local codes haven?t been eliminated by state law. . But local codes have been eliminated in Ohio. . There was a transition period from May 27, 2006 to May 27, 2007 when enforcement was ambiguous. . [It depended on the date of the individual building departments approval date with the state for the new RCO.]

But now, since May 27, 2007, local codes are gone. . Us inspectors have been told that in meetings over and over again.

It?s been stated on this code forum that an inspection disapproval isn?t valid without a code article cited but that is only the case where state law recognizes inspection disapproval as a determination by the AHJ. . In Ohio the AHJ is the CBO. . The inspectors report isn?t an official determination by the AHJ. . It?s a report to be given to the AHJ that has a copy left on site for the contractor to see what report is going to the AHJ. . The CBO/AHJ can follow the recommendation of the report or disregard it. . He can give occupancy or write an adjudication order based on his own judgment. . Ohio state law only requires that a certified person perform the inspection. . It doesn?t state that the resulting report is binding. . The CBO can not do an electrical inspection himself unless he has an ESI certification. . But he does decide what to do with the report. . The CBO can decide that it?s binding or can disregard it even if he himself doesn?t have an ESI certification.

If you get an inspection disapproval in Ohio for an issue that isn?t in the code, something that?s not an interpretation, I would suggest you ask for an adjudication order. . The adjudication order should have a state law/code reference. . As an example, I heard an electrical inspector in another municipality tell a homeowner, on a homeowner exempt addition, to make sure he used only 12gauge Romex. . In circuits other than 210.11(C) there?s no code support for that idea. . It can?t be framed as an interpretation issue. . And in Ohio it can no longer be presented as a local code. . If it shows up on an inspection report the installer should talk to the inspector. . If that doesn?t resolve the issue, ask for an adjudication order. . If the order doesn?t reference a state law/code number, then it?s not valid.

David
 
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