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augie47 said:
None of us know enough detail to advise but, and excuse me for being blunt, to quote Dirty Harry, "a man has to know his limitations". To me, you seem very dedicated and show desire to make sure jobs are completed in the best possible manner, but based on your questions often showing a lack of knowledge of some basics of field practices, I would shoot for an assistant PM for the 1st step.
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His experience as estimator maybe has given him some of the experiences he needs, kind of depends on how much he has associated with the PM's in the past. Again on a large enough project, he may not even need to know how to hold a screwdriver or even know much about general construction for that matter, could just as easily be the PM for the GC or mechanical contactor with the skills needed for the job.
 
mstrlucky74 said:
Thanks.
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You are welcome. However, I'm pretty sure I didn't tell you anything you didn't already know.

I just turned 70 and I'm still working. That has to tell you something about my philosophy.

I'm pretty sure all, repeat, ALL, internet advise is worth what you are paying.

I don't even need to offer a "Good Luck", cause you are .................... :D
 
augie47 said:
None of us know enough detail to advise but, and excuse me for being blunt, to quote Dirty Harry, "a man has to know his limitations". To me, you seem very dedicated and show desire to make sure jobs are completed in the best possible manner, but based on your questions often showing a lack of knowledge of some basics of field practices, I would shoot for an assistant PM for the 1st step.
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Thank you very much, I'm glad your able to see I really care about doing the right job. I also believe my questions( maybe the way they are put too) give the wrong impression. My knowledge/talent is more than one might believe. It's the field INSTALLATION aspect I lack. I know what has to be done but always want to know exactly how it's done. I've never worked in the field. Thanks.

BTW, I made the choice and will be staying in estimating.
 
cdslotz said:
Nope....every bullet point of the description I posted is required on EVERY job you manage. It might be 6 jobs you are managing or just one. To be clear, these are commercial jobs ranging from $500k to $10 million electrical jobs, which is what Mrlucky works on, as did I. These jobs run from 6 months to 2 years in duration.



Sorry....this is almost offensive. This isn't counting plugs and fixture opening and "punching" them into a spreadsheet. These jobs can take weeks to estimate. Some take a team of estimators a month to estimate.
These programs are very sophisticated and cost $20-$30k .

I've been as hard on him as anyone, challenging him to think about what he is asking, telling him to go back and look at the specs, plans, and documents. Most of his questions he knows the answer.

I think this will be a good move for him to understand how estimating and PM tie together.
It's like when I started out....I only got to work on the house rough-in crew....for months and months When I finally got to trim out, everything made sense why they insisted on things being done a certain way
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:thumbsup::D
 
You should get out to the field and talk with the men(Forman) and look at how it got done; it will help you estimate.
Like I said in past posts different crews of men can work more effectively/ efficiently, in the post job review paperwork you will find the key men. However jobs that are used for retaining men can give off bad information or good depending on the profit made. This information might be known on the unwritten minds of who ever picks the man power per job, (PMs) pick and choose between each other's jobs, this can help estimate if everyone is on board to have the "A Team" bang out the bulk of the work.
 
sameguy said:
You should get out to the field and talk with the men(Forman) and look at how it got done; it will help you estimate.
Like I said in past posts different crews of men can work more effectively/ efficiently, in the post job review paperwork you will find the key men. However jobs that are used for retaining men can give off bad information or good depending on the profit made. This information might be known on the unwritten minds of who ever picks the man power per job, (PMs) pick and choose between each other's jobs, this can help estimate if everyone is on board to have the "A Team" bang out the bulk of the work.
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Have you been on, and completed large commercial projects, or are you a resi contractor?
 
What?
How about nuke plants, cogens, hospitals, Syracuse University, Bristol Myers (pharma plant), stone quarries, schools, hospitals, airports, marinas, etc. PVC rig, explosion proof, high to low voltage splicing,...
What's your question?
You don't understand?
 
sameguy said:
What?
How about nuke plants, cogens, hospitals, Syracuse University, Bristol Myers (pharma plant), stone quarries, schools, hospitals, airports, marinas, etc. PVC rig, explosion proof, high to low voltage splicing,...
What's your question?
You don't understand?
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I guess that means you have done large commercial projects :D
 
Large is dependent on how you look at things. What I call a large project (I am a one man operation) is nothing compared to what you may call a large project.;)

I do sometimes have large enough project that people ask how one person can do everything though. I do get help at times when needed. Mostly just a little extra muscle for specific tasks though.
 
mstrlucky74 said:
Thank you very much, I'm glad your able to see I really care about doing the right job. I also believe my questions( maybe the way they are put too) give the wrong impression. My knowledge/talent is more than one might believe. It's the field INSTALLATION aspect I lack. I know what has to be done but always want to know exactly how it's done. I've never worked in the field. Thanks.

BTW, I made the choice and will be staying in estimating.
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Based on your answer, you will be estimating for the rest of your life...
 
PM Position

If I waited until I thought I was ready for anything, I’d be nowhere.

Take a leap; worst that happens is you fail. And then you try again.

If me from 10 years ago asked current me if I was ready to sit for my EC exam, I’d laugh.

I had a young guy go take his exam a couple of years ago; passed it, left and started his own business. I send him all the work I can’t get to, he sends me stuff too big for him. Proud as hell of that kid.

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brantmacga said:
If I waited until I thought I was ready for anything, I’d be nowhere.

Take a leap; worst that happens is you fail. And then you try again.

If me from 10 years ago asked current me if I was ready to sit for my EC exam, I’d laugh.

I had a young guy go take his exam a couple of years ago; passed it, left and started his own business. I send him all the work I can’t get to, he sends me stuff too big for him. Proud as hell of that kid.

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Nice!! Thanks,
 
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