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Point of Attachment

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ddcawley

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Does it state in the code that the point of attachment for an over head service must be located below the the weather head rather than above?
 
electricmanscott

electricmanscott

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Bob, that only says that the connection of the conductor to the service drop has to be below the weatherhead or below the end of the SE cable sheath. Nothing to do with the point of attachment. It is referring to drip loops.
 
iwire

iwire

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Your killing me Scott and we are both MA guys. :eek:

Where is the solidarity? :eek:

Would you believe (In my best Maxwell Smart voice) 230.54(G)?

Bob
 
electricmanscott

electricmanscott

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Nope! Not specifying point of attachment. :p I see nothing anywhere that requires a piped service weather head to be above the point of attachment of the service drop.
 
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websparky

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Does it state in the code that the point of attachment for an over head service must be located below the the weather head rather than above?
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NO.
Here is what it does say:

230.26 Point of Attachment.
The point of attachment of the service-drop conductors to a building or other structure shall provide the minimum clearances as specified in 230.24. In no case shall this point of attachment be less than 3.0 m (10 ft) above finished grade.

230.27 Means of Attachment.
Multiconductor cables used for service drops shall be attached to buildings or other structures by fittings identified for use with service conductors. Open conductors shall be attached to fittings identified for use with service conductors or to noncombustible, nonabsorbent insulators securely attached to the building or other structure.
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physis

physis

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230.54(C) Service Heads Above Service-Drop Attatchment. Service heads and goosenecks in service-entrance cables shall be located above the point of attatchment of the service drop conductors to the building or other structure.

I think it is meant to be read as if: (goosenecks in service-entrance cables) were considered as a weather head. :)

Edit so it makes sense.

[ December 04, 2004, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: physis ]
 
paul

paul

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Re: Point of Attachment

Originally posted by physis:
230.54(C) Service Heads Above Service-Drop Attatchment. Service heads and goosenecks in service-entrance cables shall be located above the point of attatchment of the service drop conductors to the building or other structure.

I think it is meant to be read as if: (goosenecks in service-entrance cables) were considered as a weather head. :)
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I just got dinged on this, this past summer at our local Little League. I had to climb back up the pole and extend my conduit another 6 inches to make it to the point of attachment. Dang POCO put their point of attachment within three inches of the top of the pole.

So...the AHJ in my area reads it as YES, you must run your weather head above the point of attachment.
 
iwire

iwire

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Does it state in the code that the point of attachment for an over head service must be located below the the weather head rather than above?
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Yes, 230.54(C)

Originally posted by electricmanscott:
The requirement as written applies only to SE cable.
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I am back. :D

I talked to a co worker and he told me to read more carefully, looks like I need to buy him a coffee.

230.54(C) Service Heads Above Service-Drop Attachment. Service heads and goosenecks in service-entrance cables shall be located above the point of attachment of the service-drop conductors to the building or other structure.
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It applies to all service conductors.

Read it like this

Service heads STOP and goosenecks in service-entrance cables shall be located above the point of attachment of the service-drop conductors to the building or other structure.

So it applies to all service heads on raceways and cable

And it also applies to goosenecks in cables.


Bob
 
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jes25

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Electrician
Re: Point of Attachment

I disagree, it says its says " goosenecks and Serviceheads in service entrance cables "

Cable is not defined in the NEC but THHN in a pipe sure isnt a cable IMO.

I think you guys are getting confused because of the term Servicehead, they DO make Serviceheads (weatherheads) for SE cable, I dont use 'em but I see 'em quite a bit.

[ December 04, 2004, 07:22 PM: Message edited by: jes25 ]
 
iwire

iwire

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OK try it this way

"230.54(C) Service Heads Above Service-Drop Attachment. Service heads shall be located above the point of attachment of the service-drop conductors to the building or other structure."

Now someone comes along and says that section does not apply to goosenecks in service cables and the CMPs jam this in there.

"and goosenecks in service-entrance cables"

Now you end up with this

230.54(C) Service Heads Above Service-Drop Attachment. Service heads and goosenecks in service-entrance cables shall be located above the point of attachment of the service-drop conductors to the building or other structure

Anyone else, how about our word smith Charlie B?
 
physis

physis

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Re: Point of Attachment

I really don't even see how this can be misinterpreted but I'm sure I've been on the other side of that coin more than a few times.

Edit:

230.54(C) Service Heads Above Service-Drop Attatchment. (Service heads) and (goosenecks in service-entrance cables) shall be located above the point of attatchment of the service drop conductors to the building or other structure.

I've altered this code :)

[ December 04, 2004, 07:43 PM: Message edited by: physis ]
 
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captal

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MA
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jes25 Article 230 section IV Service Entrance Conductors applies to all services not just SE cable. 230.54 (C) Service heads AND goosenecks in service-entrance cable. The code mentions SE cable after the word AND. Three letter word with lots of power.
 
charlie b

charlie b

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Since I have been asked to get into this discussion, I fear I must admit that you all have me at a disadvantage. I do not know what a ?goose neck? is, and might not be able to point out a ?service head? without being given at least three guesses. :D
 
iwire

iwire

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I asked Charlie B to get in on this as along with his engineering skills he is also sharp with the use of the English language.

Now I have to say he was no help at all. :D :p

Oh well I will continue in my belief that the weatherhead should be above the point of attachment.

Charlie I do appreciate your input. :cool:

Bob

[ December 04, 2004, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: iwire ]
 
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