Point of Attachment

[physis]

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Charlie, I like your interpetation, mine is boring and drab. Yours, on the hand, is, interesting, and, thought provoking.

 

[websparky]

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Something to consider:

OR

If the first figure is correct, then what would we need these for?

230.54 Overhead Service Locations.
(F) Drip Loops. Drip loops shall be formed on individual conductors. To prevent the entrance of moisture, service-entrance conductors shall be connected to the service-drop conductors either (1) below the level of the service head or (2) below the level of the termination of the service-entrance cable sheath.
(G) Arranged That Water Will Not Enter Service Raceway or Equipment. Service-drop conductors and service-entrance conductors shall be arranged so that water will not enter service raceway or equipment.

 

[electricmanscott]

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Twist the words, add parentheses, stop after certain words, spin it anyway you want. I still read it as "Service heads and goosenecks in service entrance cable...." No mention of raceways, although.... Reading from the start of 230.54, (A) requires a service head on a raceway, (B) requires a service head on se cable (exception) allows gooseneck in cable, (C)which has requirements for service heads and goosenecks, seems to tie them all together. Argh! The agony of defeat.

 

[charlie]

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I suppose it is too late for me to put in my 2? worth but I'm going to anyway.

It has been our policy to always enforce this section and require the weather head or service head or goose neck to be above the point of attachment. Also, if the point of attachment was right under the eve and ground clearance was close, we would permit the exception to be used and keep the point of contact within 24". If you install service equipment for a service drop in Indianapolis, that is the way it has to be done.

Exception: Where it is impracticable to locate the service head above the point of attachment, the service head location shall be permitted not farther than 600 mm (24 in.) from the point of attachment.

 

[charlie b]

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Originally posted by iwire: I asked Charlie B to get in on this . . . Now I have to say he was no help at all.

Glad to be of service.

OK. Now I?ve had my morning coffee and have had a chance to read through this discussion again. I still don?t understand it. But I think that the way physis used parenthesis to clarify the sentence is far more likely than my version to be the intended meaning. That?s one gold star for you physis.

 

[charlie]

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I would say that the West Side guys don't get up as early as we do but you are a West Side guy too.

 

[iwire]

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Originally posted by charlie b:

Originally posted by iwire: I asked Charlie B to get in on this . . . Now I have to say he was no help at all.

Glad to be of service.

Look at my posts in that thread....I was useless.

 

[captal]

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iwire you were not useless. You made for some very interesting reading on a slow Saturday night.

Al

 

[George Stolz]

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Guys, you're missing it! It is so much clearer if you read it out loud doing a Walter Kronkite impersonation!

The way it is, the way it was....

 

[ronaldrc]

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I guess this is why I'm not very well liked on this site but any plumber will tell you water doesn't flow uphill.

Ronald

 

[physis]

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Charlie B., I am honored and very grateful to have been nominated for the prestigious and coveted Gold Star award. On behalf of myself and everyone else who has selflessly contributed in the painstaking and arduous task of understanding what is perhaps one of the simplest codes in the NEC.

I must respectfully decline.

All I did was read the code and insert parentheses out of frustration.

 

[iwire]

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Originally posted by physis:
I am honored and very grateful to have been nominated for the prestigious and coveted Gold Star award................I must respectfully decline.

Sorry it's already in the mail

 

[physis]

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Thanks Bob, my girlfriend just saw that and for her it's a clear confirmation that I am, in reality, a total nerd.

 

[iwire]

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Originally posted by physis:
Thanks Bob, my girlfriend just saw that and for her it's a clear confirmation that I am, in reality, a total nerd.

 

[russ]

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Where is the safety issue in this code? I just don't see the common sense of it. I can't think of one wooden riser (6x6 or a temporary service post with a conduit on it) where the attachment point was below the service head. If you have a roof bracket is the service head always required to be above the roof point of attachment? It's common around me to bend a 90 under the soffit and have the service head poke out just beyond the gutter.
I think installing the attachment below the service head is great, but not always reasonable.

 

[charlie b]

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Originally posted by iwire: You do know I was just kidding.

I am quite aware you were kidding. So you need not be alarmed about the pair of fully armed nuclear missiles that are current converging on your position.