Poll?

[76nemo]

As an engineer, I of course don't do anything but sit at my desk and think grand thoughts. However, I will answer this post on behalf of the maintenance guys and electrical contractors we have working in the building. If they wear steel toes and safety glasses (the minimum for being on the plant floor) then it is a miracle. I have NEVER seen anyone wearing more than that, regardless of what they're doing. If a breaker needs added to anything at all, ranging from a 20 A, 120 V in a small panel up to an 800 A, 480 V in the main switchgear they do it live and with no PPE other than the already mentioned safety glasses and steel toes. If something needs done to the main switchgear that requires getting a little too close to the bus, they come in on a weekend when they can turn it off.

Do you not see any need to change the floors policies? Do you just have that much confidence in your guys? It's confidence alone that can often lead to avoidable accidents. I have heard a couple of stories just like that from others in some very respectable companies. It baffles me, I just don't get it.

 

[hockeyoligist2]

As someone else said. "I Voted"

 

[cowboyjwc]

I voted too.

Though many of us are talking the talk, the numbers are not matching up.:smile:

 

[76nemo]

I don't understand.

I don't understand.

Here again.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oyohKmeNpE


Anyone here feel un-expendable? It just takes that one small mistake.

 

[76nemo]

Consider

Consider

Tell these guys the right gloves, glasses, and a hard hat is enough.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atxS3KSVOBY


"This won't happen to me.", you say. That's what they said.

SAFETY FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[480sparky]

If anyone want a copy of those videos, PM me with your email address and I'll send it to you.

 

[76nemo]

If anyone want a copy of those videos, PM me with your email address and I'll send it to you.

I had spoken with Donnie last year. He had asked that the video on YouTube not be released for public recordings. PLEASE RESPECT THAT!!!

 

[480sparky]

I had spoken with Donnie last year. He had asked that the video on YouTube not be released for public recordings. PLEASE RESPECT THAT!!!

Thanks for letting me know...

 

[pfalcon]

As an engineer, I of course don't do anything but sit at my desk and think grand thoughts. However, I will answer this post on behalf of the maintenance guys and electrical contractors we have working in the building. If they wear steel toes and safety glasses (the minimum for being on the plant floor) then it is a miracle. I have NEVER seen anyone wearing more than that, regardless of what they're doing. If a breaker needs added to anything at all, ranging from a 20 A, 120 V in a small panel up to an 800 A, 480 V in the main switchgear they do it live and with no PPE other than the already mentioned safety glasses and steel toes. If something needs done to the main switchgear that requires getting a little too close to the bus, they come in on a weekend when they can turn it off.

"If you build there, it will come!" Either that's Kevin Costner or the NFPA70E, not sure which.

Progressive discipline at my plant. Full mental conversion has not yet been accomplished but the vast majority comply. Amazing the effect a week off without pay has on people living out their life using overtime.

BTW, what are these STEEL toe shoes you are talking about? Sounds like low resistance contact points to me. We have composite, non-conductive toes.

 

[tomP]

Suited up.... means for PSEG Full nomex jumpsuit faceshield rubber gloves with keepers and steel toes and hardhat and ear protection. The 1 step up on the ladder was in the middle of a FLAT roof with the edges at least 20 feet away Just to tie in a couple of air conditioner wires I had to go half the way around the plant to get a harness and nothing to clip on to absolutely rediculous. I did what I was told but I didnt have to like it it did not make me any safer by any means.

Sounds like another company that will be going out of the country.
I believe in safety, but don't believe in regulating companies out of bussiness, whether it be company or external rules.

 

[drbond24]

Do you not see any need to change the floors policies? Do you just have that much confidence in your guys? It's confidence alone that can often lead to avoidable accidents. I have heard a couple of stories just like that from others in some very respectable companies. It baffles me, I just don't get it.

If you are addressing me personally, yes I see the need. However, it isn't up to me.

Though many of us are talking the talk, the numbers are not matching up.

I was thinking the same thing. I'm catching flak here, but the majority in the poll are agreeing with me that PPE is never used.

Full mental conversion has not yet been accomplished but the vast majority comply.

The first conversion that needs to take place here is the management, and I don't even see the light of dawn on that front. Honestly, we'll continue as we are until someone gets hurt and then there will be a rush to implement safety regulations.

BTW, what are these STEEL toe shoes you are talking about? Sounds like low resistance contact points to me. We have composite, non-conductive toes.

As long as it saves your foot when an enormous reel of wire rolls over your toes, it works for me. :grin:

 

[GoldenVolt]

Safty

Safty

I just had an accident on Monday. I was pulling some wires out of a hot main panel, the GND was still grounded at the other end and I didn't tape up the ends of the wires and shorted the wires on the main line comming into the panel. I got a bad burn on my wrist. At the verry least I will use my rubbers from now on.

 

[76nemo]

I just had an accident on Monday. I was pulling some wires out of a hot main panel, the GND was still grounded at the other end and I didn't tape up the ends of the wires and shorted the wires on the main line comming into the panel. I got a bad burn on my wrist. At the verry least I will use my rubbers from now on.

I give salute to any man willing to admit their mistakes. Thanks for sharing. I don't care if it's just a sub in a resi, 2-layer gloves and glasses for me.
I have people make fun of me and tell me I go overboard with PPE. Well, I have never been hit, can YOU say that Pal? I use Class1 gloves with Klein buckskins as an outer layer for 240, and Class2's and buckskins for three phase up to 600. Even though they are 2's, I sized them right with my hands and the buckskins so they are very comfortable. 2's are rated for use up to 17K, now you know why some people laugh. I've never worked on anything over 1000, but I have the piece of mind that my PPE is more than what I need. My family also likes thee idea:wink:

 

[dlhoule]

It all depends on the work or observations being done. If it is no more than taking some readings or observing, no PPE. If it is so much as opening or closing a breaker, appropriate PPE for the task.