Pool Light Junction Box

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I am working on a Kitchen remodel/extension where the house has extended over the brass pool light j-box. From the pool to the house is all concrete. I figured that I would just tie into it under the house but I wanted to know if that is ok to do. The only other option is to tear out the concrete and redirect the pipe but I don't think they will go for that.
 
As long as it remains accessible, I see no problem with the location.
What type wiring method feeds it now and are you going to change the branch ciruit in any way ?
 
Nothing feeds it right now; it was originally fed by a sub-panel on the outside of the house. During construction all the conduits were demoed, now the box is just sitting there under the house. There is a ?? rigid pipe coming from the pool light going straight to the brass box. It has a cord ran though the conduit and the goal was to redirect the pipe to the outside of the house as to keep the integrity of the junction. The cement slab was going to be removed so it seemed very easy. After the slab was demoed they were suppose to call me but instead they covered if back up with stone work and then called me.
 
you need to follow 680.23(F) as far a supplying the branch circuit to the box
 
I am not sure I know what your asking. I plan on comming out of the sub panel with 1/2" pvc to a bell box mounted to the exterior of the house. Out of the back of the bell box With romex to a dead-end swith. Once more out of the bell box with 1/2" pvc to the pool box, and junction everything in the exterior bell box.
 
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If you followed that plan in this area you would be looking at a red tag.

(F) Branch-Circuit Wiring.
(1) Wiring Methods. Branch-circuit wiring on the supply side of enclosures and junction boxes connected to conduits run to wet-niche and no-niche luminaires, and the field wiring compartments of dry-niche luminaires, shall be installed using rigid metal conduit, intermediate metal conduit, liquidtight flexible nonmetallic conduit, rigid polyvinyl chloride conduit, or reinforced thermosetting resin conduit. Where installed on buildings, electrical metallic tubing shall be permitted, and where installed within buildings, electrical nonmetallic tubing, Type MC cable, electrical metallic tubing, or Type AC cable shall be permitted. In all cases, an insulated equipment grounding conductor sized in accordance with Table 250.122 but not less than 12 AWG shall be required.


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(2) Equipment Grounding. Through-wall lighting assemblies, wet-niche, dry-niche, or no-niche luminaires shall be connected to an insulated copper equipment grounding conductor installed with the circuit conductors. The equipment grounding conductor shall be installed without joint or splice except as permitted in (F)(2)(a) and (F)(2)(b). The equipment grounding conductor shall be sized in accordance with Table 250.122 but shall not be smaller than 12 AWG.

If the subpanel you are refering to is not existing, you should keep the following in moind also.

(A) Wiring Methods. Feeders shall be installed in rigid metal conduit, intermediate metal conduit, liquidtight flexible nonmetallic conduit, rigid polyvinyl chloride conduit, or reinforced thermosetting resin conduit. Electrical metallic tubing shall be permitted where installed on or within a building, and electrical nonmetallic tubing shall be permitted where installed within a building.

A real long real of Art 680 is probably in order before you takle this venture.
 
I figured that I would just tie into it under the house but I wanted to know if that is ok to do
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Make sure that "under the house" is well above the water level.:cool:

The rigid pipe connecting the box to the niche is probably brass.

The insulated ground has to be unbroken from the service to the brass jbox.
 
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The insulated ground has to be unbroken from the service to the brass jbox.
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Don't forget the exception in (2005) 680.23 (F)(2)(b) that allows the conductor to be tied to grounding teminals.

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(I just did my first pool last year, so this was an important exception to me)
 
Tim Jaramillo said:
I am not sure I know what your asking. I plan on comming out of the sub panel with 1/2" pvc to a bell box mounted to the exterior of the house. Out of the back of the bell box With romex to a dead-end swith. Once more out of the bell box with 1/2" pvc to the pool box, and junction everything in the exterior bell box.
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This is not a good plan. #14 is not code compliant for pool lights-- #12 & insulated is the minimum. NM cable is not be an acceptable wiring method for a pool light even though the switch is a dead end.
 
Sounds like some planning is in order to make sure this alteration is proper installed. I know it sounds like a pain, but ask the family who lost a child last year in Connecticut how they feel about poor planning and installation.
The Pool company owner has been indicted, and it looks like the inspectors and the electrician are next.

Think about it, and follow the advice given here so far...good stuff.
 
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