pool motor circuit

[newservice]

Above ground pool motor is 75 feet from the back of the house and another 50 feet to the service panel. However the garage is close to the pool and has a triplex overhead to it. Anything in the code saying the pump can't be run from the sub panel in the garage, provided it has separated neutral and ground? I know underground to the service panel is the best way but there is also a huge concrete walkway surrounding the house.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

How do you have a separate neutral and grounding conductor with triplex? Even if you had quadplex, it appears that 680.25(A) would prohibit its use for your application.

 

[newservice]

How do you have a separate neutral and grounding conductor with triplex? Even if you had quadplex, it appears that 680.25(A) would prohibit its use for your application.

Looking right at 680 and missed 680.25 FEEDERS. Exactly what I was looking for, thanks. Well, back to underground. The poor customer will faint when I quote this one, I'm scared to call her.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Here is the exception that would allow quadraplex, IMO, This is from the 2014 NEC

680.25(B)(2) Separate Buildings. A feeder to a separate building or
structure shall be permitted to supply swimming pool
equipment branch circuits, or feeders supplying swimming
pool equipment branch circuits, if the grounding arrangements
in the separate building meet the requirements in
250.32(B).

 

[don_resqcapt19]

I don't agree that the rule in 680.25(B)(2) has any effect on the required wiring method found in 680.25(A).

 

[kwired]

I don't agree that the rule in 680.25(B)(2) has any effect on the required wiring method found in 680.25(A).

Are you saying the only way the feeder to the garage can be overhead conductors is if you support one of the items quoted below from 680.25(A)(1) from a messenger wire?



Liquidtight flexible nonmetallic conduit
Rigid polyvinyl chloride conduit
Reinforced thermosetting resin conduit
Electrical metallic tubing where installed on or within a building
Electrical nonmetallic tubing where installed within a building
Type MC cable where installed within a building and if not subject to corrosive environment

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I don't agree that the rule in 680.25(B)(2) has any effect on the required wiring method found in 680.25(A).

I get your point but IMO it appears to say if the feeder to a separate building meets 250.32(B) then it is okay. It does not say that it has to meet 680.25(A). I am not sure how this cannot apply to an existing feeder. There would be no need for this section if it only pertained to new installs that met (A)

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Are you saying the only way the feeder to the garage can be overhead conductors is if you support one of the items quoted below from 680.25(A)(1) from a messenger wire?



Liquidtight flexible nonmetallic conduit
Rigid polyvinyl chloride conduit
Reinforced thermosetting resin conduit
Electrical metallic tubing where installed on or within a building
Electrical nonmetallic tubing where installed within a building
Type MC cable where installed within a building and if not subject to corrosive environment

That is what the code section says to me.

 

[kwired]

That is what the code section says to me.

Kind of what I suspected, though I sort of see it that way myself. My bigger issue is when people have no problem spending money for a pool and yet there is no money for some of these type of things, but knowing more about the specific application is needed before coming down too hard on this one. Yet at same time one could serve same garage with same size triplex from the utility instead of as a feeder from the house and everything is now NEC compliant.:roll: But then again pool or no pool the triplex (or quad-plex likely is not a NEC compliant cable assembly though they are still used a lot.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

... Yet at same time one could serve same garage with same size triplex from the utility instead of as a feeder from the house and everything is now NEC compliant.:roll:

There are a number of cases where the code tells us the electrons behave differently based on who owns them.

But then again pool or no pool the triplex (or quad-plex likely is not a NEC compliant cable assembly though they are still used a lot.

It is my opinion that quadplex and triplex are recognized as suitable for the application and their use is permitted by the sixth item in Table 396.10(A).

Note that the word "identified" is used in the table and the definition of "identified" stops short of actually requiring the cables to be a listed product.

 

[kwired]

There are a number of cases where the code tells us the electrons behave differently based on who owns them.

They are analogous to intoxicated people, once they pass the service point and who knows what they may do.