Pool Panel Supply 680.25 - 2005

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Ok.....what if the guy ran SER across the dwelling and thru the wall into an external junction location for future use. The dwelling project was completed and a few months later they decided to add a pool........NOW......does 680.25 apply and allow the SER to stay and use the exterior junction box to supply a pool panel.....IN the proper method of course...

So.......what determines existing in that case....?
 
My understanding of the wiring methods required for the pool feeders is to provide as much protection of the EGC as is possible.
Insulated, I guess one reason is so it will be isolated from any neutral or other exposed conductors that may have current on them.


Ryan
For the first time in my career, I have not paid much attention to the new code cycle, I have not even purchased a 2008 code book yet.
NYS is in it's own cycle change and we will reference the 2002 and the 2005 depending on the type of construction. Also we have approximately 4 other documents to follow as well.:rolleyes: The way is seems now, we will be in the '08 in 2 or 3 years from now.

I will have to take a look at what is written in the /08 and see what is what.

Maybe someone can post the ROP/ROC and code section that Ryan mentioned is changed for the '08
 
Cavie said:
680.25 (B) last sentance
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I know the code section, but why. I don't see why that one grd wire has to be insulated. Is it simply super safe because it is a pool? What about a J-tub? Why not have an insulated grd on that also?

i soundlike one of the helpers at work with all this why crap
 
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walkerj said:
I know the code section, but why. I don't see why that one grd wire has to be insulated. Is it simply super safe because it is a pool? What about a J-tub? Why not have an insulated grd on that also?

i soundlike one of the helpers at work with all this why crap
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They want apsolutly no stray voltages on this circuit that can possibliy get back to the pool. that is why it is insulated and in pipe. All faults must go to the source.

But the best answer I can give you is " 'Cause the book says"
 
radiopet said:
Ok.....what if the guy ran SER across the dwelling and thru the wall into an external junction location for future use. The dwelling project was completed and a few months later they decided to add a pool........NOW......does 680.25 apply and allow the SER to stay and use the exterior junction box to supply a pool panel.....IN the proper method of course...

So.......what determines existing in that case....?
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AH....no takers on this one eh....lol
 
radiopet said:
AH....no takers on this one eh....lol
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I'm gonna stick my neck out and say no. That wire cannot be used for the pool. The exception is for an existing sub panel. The pool can be fed from and existing sub panel that does not have an insulated ground back to the service. But the pool feeders must have and insulated ground from the sub panel to the pool panel. If you were to use just branch feeders and no pool panel, you an use bare egc branch circuits except for the Light transformer. Ok Put'em up!
 
Cavie said:
That wire cannot be used for the pool. The exception is for an existing sub panel. The pool can be fed from and existing sub panel that does not have an insulated ground back to the service. But the pool feeders must have and insulated ground from the sub panel to the pool panel.
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While I read it rather fast...lol...I will agree with that statement..;)

Now....what if the outside box WAS a small sub panel....yet installed just a few months before the pool construction....THEN would it change your mind?
 
radiopet said:
While I read it rather fast...lol...I will agree with that statement..;)

Now....what if the outside box WAS a small sub panel....yet installed just a few months before the pool construction....THEN would it change your mind?
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While I read it rather fast...lol... I will agree with that statment..;):smile: :D
 
Pool Panel Supply 680.25 - 2005

Cavie said:
I will never understand why so many people have so much trouble with this artical.

(B) Grounding. An equipment grounding conductor shall be installed with the feeder conductors between the grounding terminal of the pool panelboard and the grouonding terminal of the applicable service equipment.

We all know that the Service equipment is the main disconect. The grounding conductor shall be insulated. We have 12 electric inspectors and even they cannot agree on this.[/Q

This inspector agrees
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Was it ever acceptable to run NM or SER to the pool equipment? if so what year did they change to conduit with an insullated ground wire?
 
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