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PV Outside Disconnect Wiring Detail

wwhitney

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Location
Berkeley, CA
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Retired
I am starting to think there is no way to use separate Load and Grid conduit paths in this Sol-Ark and keep the sum of currents to zero in each path.
Correct, you need to use a single conductor group going to the Sol-Ark with just a single neutral. Your second drawing has parallel neutrals between the critical load panel and the Sol-Ark, which would not be allowed.

Your single conductor group could most simply be run in a single conduit. Or if you run it in two side-by-side conduits, that works if the conduits and both the enclosures of the Sol-Ark and the critical loads panel are non-ferrous. Or if the conduits are non-ferrous, and an enclosure is ferrous, you'd need to cut out a section of the ferrous enclosure and replace with a non-ferrous section with the two conduit entries.

With that correction the second drawing looks fine to me. I don't see any neutral path issue.

Cheers, Wayne
 

solarken

NABCEP PVIP
Location
Hudson, OH, USA
Occupation
Solar Design and Installation Professional
Correct, you need to use a single conductor group going to the Sol-Ark with just a single neutral. Your second drawing has parallel neutrals between the critical load panel and the Sol-Ark, which would not be allowed.

Your single conductor group could most simply be run in a single conduit.

With that correction the second drawing looks fine to me. I don't see any neutral path issue.

Cheers, Wayne
It seems I can leave it in the original arrangement and just make the same single conduit adjustment at the Sol-Ark. Then all conduits sum to zero current. Still, there are asymmetric paths between line and current no matter which arrangement is used, which I guess is unavoidable.
 

wwhitney

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Berkeley, CA
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Retired
Still, there are asymmetric paths between line and current no matter which arrangement is used, which I guess is unavoidable.
How about the first layout where you delete the J Box and the Wiring Trough (at least logically, not necessarily physically)? So all conductors go through the PV disconnect and through the Hybrid Inverter. Then in any state, the current path for the hot and the neutral of a 120V load follow the same physical path.

In the second layout, the only case where that fails to be true is when the critical load center is on Inverter but the inverter isn't producing the power. The neutral current goes straight to the service, while the ungrounded current goes to the hybrid inverter enclosure and back before going to the service. That's allowed, and is analogous to a switch leg that has hot and switched hot, no neutral.

Cheers, Wayne
 

solarken

NABCEP PVIP
Location
Hudson, OH, USA
Occupation
Solar Design and Installation Professional
How about the first layout where you delete the J Box and the Wiring Trough (at least logically, not necessarily physically)? So all conductors go through the PV disconnect and through the Hybrid Inverter. Then in any state, the current path for the hot and the neutral of a 120V load follow the same physical path.
That might work, but the whole idea of having bypass, etc is to make it easy to keep the critical loads operating if there were a major inverter failure. Having all wiring go thru the inverter would make it difficult for maintenance or replacement of the inverter. Plus, there is not a ton of wiring space in that compartment.

The utility requires "a disconnect switch meeting the requirements of the NEC between the Company meter and the DER PoC. The switch shall be clearly marked, "Generator Disconnect Switch”, with permanent 3/8 inch or larger letters. The preferred location of the switch is outside the building in the immediate vicinity of the electric meter to facilitate access by Company personnel."

Usually the above means putting a disconnect outside between inverter and PoC. I am putting the E-Stop button outside anyway because of 706.15, so I will add labels to it to serve both functions and not put the disconnect out there.

But it still seems a good idea to have a disconnect to remove power from the Inverter Grid input if isolation is necessary. So was thinking about rearranging per below, with the PV Disconnect inside, between the Inverter and the Critical Loadcenter, with all conductors passing thru it.

With the below arrangement and paths, it seems like there are no conduits that would have nonzero sum currents, so no magnetic heating, and there are no current loops.

The neutral return path does not follow the line path when the Interlock is in Inv pos and the grid is supplying the power, but conduits all still sum zero current.

This install is half done, so I really need to finalize this. I appreciate the feedback if Wayne or anyone else has any so I can finish it up.

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